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Good Lord. I am settling this.
From ABC.com….their official recap
In present-day Storybrooke, Regina breaks the news that the Wicked Witch is still alive. She’s headed for New York to save Robin Hood, but not before getting something she needs from Belle. Gold lets Isaac know that he’s going to get ink for the quill. It’s all part of his plan to turn the savior dark. Gold cuts their conversation short to meet with Belle. He shows her his hurting heart. Soon he will lose any ability to love. Only the author can help him.
Regina reveals that she has control of Belle’s heart.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Oh it bothers all of us I think. I, for one, am irritated like crazy that he’s just useless because I loved him in WL.
My theory is this: they needed to keep Soccha around and not run the risk of him being picked up by another show because S5 is going to be Jafar/Aladdin. When they bring Jafar on, they need someone from the WL show to tell everyone in SB about Jafar and Will was the fan favorite of WL so he was the writers natural choice. They made him a regular to keep him contracted to the show, but had very little to give him because his story isn’t until next year. So they fiddled with him–a few random appearances, totally random ScarlettBeauty–and just have him spinning his wheels until they get to S5.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The author was inside the book behind a door (that was clearly a Jefferson hat door) Does that count? If it is just normal squid ink then it is awfully convenient that Hook just so happens to have some when the heroes need it most. I hope the ink is something more but you know what this show is like with plot devices.
But where does that door lead? I mean he was trapped inside the book–so he was trapped inside a drawing of a door and necessarily a real world right? The world building lately has just confused me.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Happy Wednesday!
@Jo: I am weak. I read the reports. You’re gonna need to talk me off a ledge. Probably everyday. Forever.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"ummm…that Graham case, the punishment was a bit extreme, but he did make a deal with the Evil Queen, then went back on it, tried to deceive her, and inadvertently mocked her intelligence……not a very smart move on his part really. I mean…punishment was bound to befall him
did you just….justify rape?
*read again*
Yes. Yes you did. That was basically, “he got what was coming to him because he didn’t do what she told him*
Good LORD. Please engage in this thought experiment. Reverse the genders: Regina is a male and Graham is a woman. NOW say what you just said, “Graham (the female) got what was coming to her because she disobeyed Regina (a male)”
Pretty uncomfortable, no? Pretty terrible. Cringe inducing even. “Call the cops cause it’s domestic abuse” level bad.
Sweet heaven. The double standard.
News flash: men can be raped. Graham was raped. There is no justification for what she did. Saying, “his punishment (RAPE) was earned because of what did not do…” Oh lord. No.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"At the end of the day…I still say Belle knew exactly what she was getting herself into, and knew whom she was dealing with… “How Can I Help?” well, that’s more or less saying “I’m in.”
Raise your hand if you’re surprised that our forums number 1 Regina fan think it was all 100% consensual.
(no seriously, I love you WR, but you thinking that is like saying the ocean is wet)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"1) If Cruella is really that evil, is really so without limits in her ability to hurt others, why did the Chernobog go after Maleficent? The “Cruella cannot kill” restriction is irrelevant. It’s about her heart. And the “potential” should include Cruella’s potential to manipulate the author into giving her back, which she fully intended to do. Also, Maleficent clearly cares for her daughter. She has a vulnerable side. If we’re to believe this latest ep, Cruella doesn’t care about anyone, which also means she has no limits in what she can do.
PLOT
2) If Cruella is really a terrible person that didn’t care for Lily, why was she so protective of the egg in the first place? And of Ursula? Remember her putting her hand on Ursula’s back when they passed hook?
PLOT? (or acting choice before Victoria learned the backstory of her character)
3) How did Cruella end up in the enchanted Forest? How did she earn the mantle of Queen of Darkness if she couldn’t even kill anyone? Presumably, she CAN manipulate things, like Rumple, so others lose their lives indirectly. But again, that would mean she has the most potential for darkness. (keep in mind they always say darkness, not conscious evil, so this doesn’t contradict my earlier point)
PLOTY PLOT PLOT PLOT PLOTY PLOT PLOT. (I had the same questions and it really *annoys* me that we’re left hanging with this)
Also, how did her CAR get to our world??!
4) Why is it fair to consider Cruella the worst of the worst when she was born like that/became evil at too young an age to know the difference? Was she born evil, did she become that way? Given she was a relatively sheltered child, at what point did she get the opportunity to experience “darkness” and see what it was like?
Because for the writers mental illness is “easier” than fleshing out what good and evil really mean.
5) Why the hell did her mother keep around after she killed her SECOND husband? It should have been pretty obvious by then what would happen. Why did she endanger the life of someone like that? Alice got sent to an institution for less.
PLOT (or stigma?)
6) Why did the Ink only change Cruella’s hair colour? What was the point in that? Did it change her powers somehow, give her additional powers? It is related to how she ended up in the Enchanted Forest? What if there was some paradox effect that the Ink being spilled on her is what “blackened” her history retroactively, as a kind of foreshadowing of what would happen with Lily? I doubt A&E would be that clever.
Because the writers thought it would be a cool visual. Also, some think it might be part of the plot moving forward (ie: Rumple uses the ink in her hair)
7) Didn’t A&E say she originally came from the Enchanted Forest? What happened to that? I guess this origin makes more sense, but there’s too much realms jumping.
They said she was from the EF, but I don’t think they ever said “originally.” I think they meant that when we first met her in 4B she would be in the EF and not some Fictional London.
8) What constitutes an “Animal”? Humans? The Chernobog? Why a Dragon(That may just be a polymorph and not a “Real” dragon, though the Egg suggests otherwise) and not Chernobog?
We don’t do philosophical questions on this show. We tease them and then dance around them. We aren’t interested in real thought provoking analysis. Just shiny.
9) Why would Emma feel so bad about killing her if she really was so beyond redemption? And she was threatening her child, so how could she have known? Cruella might not be able to take the lives of others directly or using her magic, but she can still put people in dangerous situations(like with Lily). She’s not harmless.
PLOT
10) Why didn’t the author take away her powers after she realised she was so evil? Like why leave her with the ability to do evil(even if she couldn’t kill?) Obviously she earned the mantle of Queen of Darkness without the ability to kill directly, so it wasn’t a good idea. He should have taken her ability away as a precaution, as soon as the mother came to see him.
PLOT
11) When are A&E going to admit to having watched Princess Tutu because this whole “Author” thing is very familiar.
I don’t know what this means. Can I still say PLOT?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"*snores*
lol. Yeah we’re all sleepy tonight. It’s a slow night for us. But…Thursday is coming. Thursday is our night. *clings to Jo*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
