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@Lady K wrote:
@Sam993 wrote:
Won’t lie. thought the Mad Hatter will be a redundant character because I thought Rumpelstilskin is quite mad himself and shows it too with his body language and crazy movement, and voice, but Sebastian Stan actually shows what being Mad really is. It’s not just the obviously characteristics (crazy mumbling, crazy voice, and crazy looks ), but it’s about devoting yourself to one idea, to one way, ignoring the rules that the world sets upon us, rejecting the feeling of isolation, and not being able to control your own self (case in point, the tempting movements towards Emma, the abundance of useless hats).
I love how you pointed out that there are different kinds of crazy, because I think that’s very true in the story and also in real life. Crazy isn’t one particular brand of thinking or delusion — it’s you and me intensified, turned up a notch too far. I think we’ve all gotten a little obsessed with an idea or a cause or a desire that’s pushed us right up to the edge, and I think Jefferson and Rumpelstiltskin have just gone a bit farther with that. And I think there are moments or events or people that have the power to snap us out of that, and if Emma is one of those people for Jefferson, then I think she could definitely bring him back from his edge.
Ironically, one thing that I really noticed when comparing Jefferson in SB and Jefferson in Wonderland, was that as dark as he was and as dangerous as he seemed to have gotten in SB, he didn’t seem as crazy as he did when they showed him in Wonderland. I think the difference might be that in Wonderland, his life was completely devoid of his daughter. He couldn’t see her. He had no idea what was happening to her — if she was safe, if she was happy. And that must have driven him crazy with worry, so that he was desperate — so that he would do anything to get back to her, just to see her again. But in SB, he actually could see her (even if he couldn’t interact with her). He could know that she was alright, and he could see that she was happy and well-cared for. I think that’s what actually settled his mind back in SB so that he could devote his energy to finding his way back to FTL — so that he could have method to his madness (as illustrated by his neat rows of identical hats and his orderly house) vs. just madness in Wonderland (as illustrated by the piles of mismatched hats thrown everywhere and the desperation in his eyes as he sewed them).
I also love that when Jefferson first takes Emma to his house, almost everything is shown first directly and then in reflection (Emma standing in front of the fireplace is reflected in the grand piano, Jefferson and Emma are reflected in the tea kettle, Emma waking up on the couch is reflected against the underside of the coffee table). Very “through the looking glass”. And I feel like it’s also showing us the way Jefferson sees the world — that there are other possibilities on the flip side of every surface and knowing that — knowing how close all those other possibilities are — must also make you a bit mad.
Absolutely I agree with you!!!! That’s very insightful. I would never consider that the reflection would be a reference to that.
So are you saying that craziness can manifest as it travels to our world? It becomes more implicit? I would say he would go more crazy seeing that she’s happy without him and he doesn’t have her.
[adrotate group="5"]@charming wrote:
I agree. You never answered the question about the book and Aliens and saving the planet.
I know my reaction and answer to that which would be the same as Emma get my kid and run. I’d do that and I do not have a kid or wife or both. She is human. Just like everyone beating down on David for doing the things he does, he’s human. You are asking someone to believe that people you are meeting are characters in stories you read as a child and are here. Tell you the truth I would not have gotten as far as she did. I’d just drop him off and say see ya kid call me, email me and hey you know where to find me.Well…I didn’t know that was a serious question, but I would probably not believe in them. But Emma witnessed strange things happening in Storybrooke that put her in this state of denial. You guys say that she’s human and she did the right thing, but I say that she should have faced the problem head on. My point is that she is far from the savior that Storybrooke needs. The writers wanted us to see that in the last episode. So now they can throw a bit of mess towards her way and build her into the right kind of hero.
In my heart, David can do no wrong. So what if he played MM on in the beginning? So what if he cheated on his wife? So what if he didn’t believe MM? It’s all because of the curse. Deep inside under his cuteness, is Charming wanting to break free. I blame the curse for every mistake that David makes. He’s perfect and lovely. <3
@Surayya wrote:
@Sam993 wrote:
Great Emma’s characterization in this episode. We finally see a bit of her we hadn’t seen before, which is her being a coward essentially. Yet, I think most people in her situation would have done the same thing.
So in the Stranger, August points out that Emma doesn’t want to believe. It’s not like Emma doesn’t think it couldn’t be real, that SB could be FTL, but that she really, really, really doesn’t want that to be so. Emma doesn’t want to take up the responsibility of being the savior. So her magic is preventing her from seeing the truth. It’s granting her wish. Shows how powerful she is. Her magic is sooo subtle that she doesn’t even know that its affecting her.
All I can say to this is ‘I’ll show you a book about Aliens & then YOU have to totally believe they are real & to boot it’s also your job to save everyone on the planet’
how would you react to this info? 🙄
Because if someone rocked up to me with the evidence Emma has & was serious about me believing in something so totally ludicrous- Id be freaked out (I mean EVERYONES well being becoming my own responsibility 😯 & OMG- this person REALLY believes what they are saying) & probably pissed off to boot (I mean how would you feel if someone wanted you to believe in something insane/ socially unacceptable)- it’d be like an insane person REALLY wanting you to believe in their delusion- which ONLY they can see – that’s a big ask for anyone 🙄But then how come she didn’t see the wooden leg? That wooden leg is apart of reality, if she simply didn’t believe it, then she would have seen it. No magic needed. Regular, human eyes should have revealed August’s leg. August says her denial is so deep it’s affecting her to see the truth. She doesn’t want to believe it. She’s telling herself not to believe it. She’s asking herself not to believe it and she’s granting her own wish. Some part of her knows it’s true. It’s a difference of opinion, I believe she knows it and doesn’t want to face it. She’s running away from it!
She did do the wrong thing and she was scared and she did runaway from her problems rather than confront them. She was being a coward, by not facing them, but that doesn’t mean she embodies a coward. She did one cowardly act.
August said that “You’re our only hope” and Emma said “Then you’re all screwed.” She has the ability and the facts to believe that everything is real, but she chooses not to because she’s running away from her responsibility. I am not saying she is the ultimate coward, but that she refused to do the brave thing. If she said, “Fine, I’ll confront Regina, I’ll destroy the curse, I’ll bring back everyone’s happy ending.” You’ll say she’s brave, right? Well, she didn’t say that. She, rather than face Regina to take back Henry, she ran away. That was a cowardly act. I didn’t mean to imply that Emma embodies a coward.
Great Emma’s characterization in this episode. We finally see a bit of her we hadn’t seen before, which is her being a coward essentially. Yet, I think most people in her situation would have done the same thing.
So in the Stranger, August points out that Emma doesn’t want to believe. It’s not like Emma doesn’t think it couldn’t be real, that SB could be FTL, but that she really, really, really doesn’t want that to be so. Emma doesn’t want to take up the responsibility of being the savior. So her magic is preventing her from seeing the truth. It’s granting her wish. Shows how powerful she is. Her magic is sooo subtle that she doesn’t even know that its affecting her.
Henry dying, in my opinion. I know some people are saying that he’s the only one keeping Emma there, but maybe if his last words were “Please, believe…they need you…” or maybe if he nearly dies and her magic saves him….
It has to just hit her hard and be painful in order for her to believe.
If they kill Mr. Gold, I’m going to cry. 🙁 I can imagine Henry dying and that being the fuel for Emma’s revenge.
I choice Emma because she is such a great mixture of good and evil. She’s a walking contradiction, which I think is more fascinating and fun to watch. I think she’s going to become just as cruel as Mr. Gold. Mary Margaret came extremely close, but the meanest she’ll ever be is squashing a bug.
