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April 6, 2012 at 1:31 pm #134141
obisgirl
ParticipantI’ve a compiled a list of evidence de-bunking the August is Pinocchio theory. I started it on my tumblr and am constantly adding to it.
Most fairytale characters-real world counterparts are the opposite of who they are in fairytale world. Pinocchio was honest because if he wasn’t, he nose would grow long as a puppet. August hasn’t been honest about why he is really there. He told Henry that he is there to help Emma believe (which I believe is true) but he has a darker ulterior motive that has not been revealed.
Let’s talk about the age. The ages of actors versus their characters don’t always match up. Jennifer Morrison for example is the same age as my brother (31), but Emma is 28. She’s playing someone younger than herself. Not only that, but the writers haven’t come out and stated what age August is.
Why would Gepetto use the tree as a test run for his son? That would be extremely selfish or him, especially since the tree can carry only one. They only have one try to send baby Emma to our world before the Queen’s curse. If he did do that, he’d have to ask the Blue Fairy for a second tree and I really don’t think they have the time to carve out a second wardrobe.
I do believe August is a child from fairytale land, but not Pinocchio. So who is he then? I think the first theory about the Stranger was right: he is Baelfire, Rumpelstiltskin's son. Here's why I think so.
Point #3 refers to the episode we will see in 3 weeks. From the preview, the Stranger is confronting Mr. Gold in the woods and he has the dagger! Now, ask yourself, why would Pinocchio want to kill Mr. Gold? They have no connection whatsoever. Secondly, from caps I have seen of that moment, he looks especially troubled to be pointing the dagger at him which leads me to believe that he is conflicted.
Why would he be conflicted? Maybe it's because he is Baelfire. Think about it. Not many fairytale characters would know about the dagger. The old Dark One and Hordor knew but they're long dead, Baelfire knew about it because Rumps told him about it. A father-son battle would be epic!
I think Baelfire somehow managed to escape his father by working with the fairies to take him far, far away from Rumpelstiltskin. Most likely (especially since we will also see the Blue Fairy in the next episode), that she sent him to our world. Baelfire still remembers but becomes obsessed with the dagger, believing in fairytales and starts contemplating if he ever sees his father again, the only thing he can do to stop him is to kill him.
If the Stranger added his story to Henry’s book, he wouldn’t have needed to do that if he is Pinocchio because Pinocchio is already in the book!
Pinocchio is not an important character, he’s important to Gepetto but looking at the story as a whole, making the Stranger Pinocchio doesn’t really make a compelling story. I didn’t watch Lost but I would be very disappointed in the writers if they went this route because how would it add to the story? How would it move the story along? Not very much.
Look at the origin story of Jiminy Cricket and Little Red Riding Hood. According to OUAT, Jiminy was once a human and wished to be a cricket to escape his parents. Red became a werewolf after Granny’s father’s “marked her.” But Ruby still kept her wolf senses in Storybrooke.
Pinocchio DID not start out as a human. He was a puppet so it only makes sense that he would have reverted back to being a puppet in the real world or perhaps, the form he was originally in before he was carved into a puppet.
I have seen a behind the scenes pic of Marco leaving Mr. Gold's shop with a giant cuckoo clock — which leads me to think Marco will use that clock to make Pinocchio. And the way Mr. Gold stops the Stranger from leaving too, it looks like Mr. Gold is reprimanding him and if you look at their body language, they are too close for comfort.
There’s also physical appearances to consider: Baelfire had brown hair and was 13 last we saw him. Pinocchio was a boy of 7 and had red hair and freckles. You can’t fake appearance.
Going back to point #5, when the Stranger comes into possession of the dagger, look at where he is in that scene when he summons him: in the woods!! Which is an interesting parallel to when Rumpelstiltskin used the dagger to summon the Old Dark One in 1×08 “Desperate Souls.”
On being the writer of the book, I’m starting to get very skeptical about this because the last time we saw the Stranger’s typewriter was back in “7:15 a.m.” That was a long time ago. So now, I’m thinking that the type writer was a “prop” used as a red-herring to hide from Emma his reason for being in Storybrooke.
So where is Pinocchio in Storybrooke?
He could be an orphan like Ava and Nicholas were and also a thief, stealing what he needs to survive.
Since Pinocchio didn’t start out as a human, maybe he reverted back to being a wooden object. If he is a wooden object, he could be in Mr. Gold’s shop.
[adrotate group="5"]April 6, 2012 at 1:47 pm #141128midnight dreary
ParticipantSweet Jesus, I hope you’re right! I am not diggin’ the whole Pinnochio theory AT ALL.
I’d also like to add that Mr. Gold told Leroy in episode 1×14, “Dreamy,” that he hated nuns. And of course, when he says “nuns” he really means fairies. And after watching Desperate Souls and Skin Deep, it’s made quite clear that most of Rumpel’s decisions are motivated by the love. In his case, that would be Bae and Belle. So the fact that Rumpel holds so much hatred for the fairies tells me that it probably has something to do with the fairies. Maybe they took Bae off to Neverland to protect him from Rumpel. That may also be why he was so desperate to get his hands on the fairy wand. Maybe the only way to gain access into Neverland is by using the wand of a fairy.
And I also agree with you about the way August looked in the promo. He looked terribly frightened. Sort of like what a person would look like if they were forced to kill someone they cared about. And I’d like to give you big YUP on your observation on the August’s appearamce. He looks NOTHING like Fairytale land Pinnochio. This show has been very good at casting children who look EXACTLY like the adult actors. Little Snow is a perfect example of that.
Now, look at Bae…
And now look at August…
Um, yeah. BOOM. 😀
April 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm #141129an empty heart
ParticipantWow! I din’t noticed how much August and Bae looked alike until now. Now I’m going to be disappointed if August isn’t Bae. 😆
April 6, 2012 at 4:32 pm #141134dorothy
ParticipantI’m also going to say that August probably is not Pinocchio. I also never watched Lost but from what I can tell, the writers are really good at storytelling-they love to surprise people. And honestly to me, the idea of August being Pinocchio in a leather jacket not only doesn’t really fit, it’s also kinda lame.
For one thing like obisgirl said, he looks nothing like Pinocchio. If you look back at previous episodes, Pinocchio is shown as a kid with red curly hair. August has dark wavy hair. He could’ve dyed his hair to avoid being recognized, but until we see the episode about August’s backstory, we won’t know for sure.
@obisgirl wrote:
Why would Gepetto use the tree as a test run for his son? That would be extremely selfish or him, especially since the tree can carry only one. They only have one try to send baby Emma to our world before the Queen’s curse. If he did do that, he’d have to ask the Blue Fairy for a second tree and I really don’t think they have the time to carve out a second wardrobe.
Exactly! Everyone keeps forgetting that one detail: The tree could only save one. Emma was the only one in that tree. True, Pinocchio could’ve been carved from that same tree, but again we won’t know for sure until we see the kid’s backstory.
@Midnight Dreary I also want to say that he’s Baelfire. I REALLY want to. But there’s one slight detail that sets them apart: August has blue eyes and Baelfire has brown eyes. Besides that, I’m convinced they’re the same person.
April 6, 2012 at 4:58 pm #141135midnight dreary
Participant@Midnight Dreary I also want to say that he’s Baelfire. I REALLY want to. But there’s one slight detail that sets them apart: August has blue eyes and Baelfire has brown eyes. Besides that, I’m convinced they’re the same person.
YOU ARE THE DESTROYER OF DREAMS!!! 😥 😥 😥
Ok, that was a little harsh. 😆 But you’re right. Then who the heck does August look like? Because he definitely doesn’t look anything like Pinnochio, but he and Bae don’t share the same eye color. Hmm, me confused. 😕
April 6, 2012 at 5:12 pm #141136dorothy
Participant@Midnight Dreary wrote:
YOU ARE THE DESTROYER OF DREAMS!!! 😥 😥 😥
I’m sorry!! 😳 😆
But I still want to believe he’s Bae.
April 6, 2012 at 5:36 pm #141140the wiz
ParticipantI’m continually stuck by how serene August appears, regardless of how Emma or Henry is reacting. For his calm presence to be so consistent suggests to me that he is neither Baelfire or harboring a dark agenda. I take him at his word when he said he’s here to help Emma believe. If he is Bae, I would expect him to seem angry, conflicted or manipulative to maintain a cover over his spiteful intentions.
I re-watched the Pilot episode yesterday and saw a new clue for trusting August’s intentions. When Emma rides down the Main Street, a crane shot lifts our viewpoint through the traffic light, which is red in that episode. In 1×10 True North, that same crane shot repeats with a green light when August rides his motorcycle down the Main Street. Since the traffic light is above the characters’ points of view, I’m taking that as a hint for us viewers. One interpretation is that the show’s writers are telling us to stop ourselves from going with Emma’s spin on everything and go with August’s.
In the preview of 1×19 The Return, Mr. Gold's paranoia about August being in SB to kill him– struck me as unfounded and delusional. Mr Gold has good cause to be extremely apprehensive with Rumple’s and his own history of abusing others. Having lived by the sword, he may die by the sword. But he fears would make him a poor judge of character and thus very susceptible to delusional fantasies.
Perhaps August is so serene because he know SB is entirely a delusional construct and only FTL is real.
April 6, 2012 at 5:45 pm #141141killianhookfan
ParticipantI’m still stuck on Regina saying that he seems familiar. I don’t see August seeming familiar to her as either Pinocchio or Bae. They told us to pay attention when August talked about Lemurs – which we all then ran and read about Lemurs – the cute little monkey like creatures. But I think he was actually talking in riddles about Lemures – the ghosts of ancestors who had less than stellar deaths. I’m wondering if somehow August is a human form of a ghost of someone important to Regina like her father or Daniel. I wondered about Daniel since he was a stable boy and the motorcycle could represent a horse. Both Henry Sr. and Daniel would probably seem familiar to Regina in another life because they are probably the two people she loved the most – so even if they didn’t look the same, something about their mannerisms would seem familiar to her. If breaking the curse is also the key to destroying Regina’s evilness (which I think it is) both Daniel and Henry Sr. would both have reasons to want to help Emma destroy the curse. And if Rumple somehow had something to do with creating Cora's evilness, both Daniel and Henry would seem to have a reason to want to use the dagger to initially hurt Gold but than potentially work with him to end the curse.
April 6, 2012 at 6:50 pm #141143mujie
ParticipantI actually agree with the theory that August could be both Bae and Pinnochio.
Of course August must be Bae. The episode with Bae and Rumplestiltskin. Mr Gold's trying to find out August's true identity. Too much of a coincidence. The next episode is the backstory of Pinocchio. And how come August is still so young if he is Bae? Rumplestiltskin can't age but Getappo (if that's how you spell it) became an old man.
April 6, 2012 at 6:51 pm #141144obisgirl
Participant@rumplegoldfan wrote:
And if Rumple somehow had something to do with creating Cora's evilness, both Daniel and Henry would seem to have a reason to want to use the dagger to initially hurt Gold but than potentially work with him to end the curse.
That is interesting.
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