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Wow HappyEndings, you could be on something there. What if Hook and/or Tamara are brainwashing Regina to set a trap for Emma and Co? After brainwashing her they could release her so that she could embark with Charming Gang then once at sea they would take over Emma and Co?
I actually think it might be Emma pointing the gun at Neal.
But why would she do that to Neal? Why would she point a gun at him? It make absolutely no sense.
[adrotate group="5"]For now I doubt Rumpelstilskin will willingly give up his power, he didn’t do it for Belle nor his son back then I don’t see why he would do it now. And don’t seem to want to give it up. And don’t tell me he has grown up. Because he don’t, or not that much at all.
So should he ever lose it, it won’t be by his own doing, it will be by force. And if actual Rumpel lose his power he won’t let it go like that, I think he will fight to take it back. Same for Regina. So if those two refuse to become like anyone else, if they don’t accept to live without magic, then no improving, no better man/woman, no redemption completed, no nothing.
@LaurieAnne wrote:
I’m wondering what Charming can do to help. He and Belle never crossed paths in FTL (that we know of) so she wouldn’t have memories of him. Maybe because he was similarly cursed by Regina, he can help figure out what to do to unbreak the false memories. Regina used the windmill to put those memories somehow into David so she probably used something similar with Belle. This is going to be an amazing episode! I really want Belle to remember!
Rumple doesn’t ask Charming to help Belle to get her memory back, he ask Charming how he and Mary Margaret could have fall again for each other while cursed.
Uh? What is Rumpel doing with Regina AND Hook!? The only way Rumpel would go after Emma/Henry is if something bad happens to either Belle or Bael 😕
Awww AngieBelle, I so understand you there. That place is for me the best Once place ever. It’s indeed more intimate, less bigger than other Once forums and it’s perfectly fine like this. I love the fact that here peoples are so open with others opinions about characters or theory. You know how it’s a rare thing on the net. Here we can agree to disagree in the literal sense of the word.
I’m a Disney lover myself, since I’m a kid and a Disney Park lover since the Disneyland Paris opening. I thanks Walt and the Disney Company for the magic they gift us with. As I thanks that place to exist : Thanks Daniel and thanks to you all you have made that forum a great place to spend time pleasantly!
About what happened to you AngieBelle , don’t let peoples get you down. There is very mean and nasty peoples out there. Don’t mind them. You know you aren’t a bad person so try to not let others say otherwise. It’s may not be so east to do but try to brush peoples who hurt you with their naughtiness. Like I said in another thread, they are only passengers in your life, and you can thrown them off this moving train. And you don’t know them as they don’t know you. So judging you on something you said without knowing you is plain stupid. And you don’t need to burden yourself with stupid peoples, right?
This show and the forum, (and the spoilers) have saved my sanity this past couple of weeks. My feline companion of 14 years, Diamar, suddenly got sick, was diagnosed with lymphoma and passed away after her first chemo treatment. This show and forum is the only thing that’s been able to temporarily distract me from my otherwise constant melancholy
How I feel you Phee. I lost a cat who had Feline leukemia. I adopted him because no one wanted him because of his decease. I loved him so much that when he died the person that brought him to me said I prolonged his life over three years more. She was really stunned that he lived all that time. Now my eleven years old cat is diabetic since three years. I pray for her to live many more years. I know it’s hard but it will become more easy with time passing. You will find consolation. A big kiss for you.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
The Joker is such an iconic role though so it’s not really fair to compare that with Tamara’s role as a villain.
SwanFire shippers hated Tamara the moment she was introduced because she would be standing in the way of Emma and Bae getting together. Most of the fanbase hates her after her actions in Selfless, Brave and True. They need to give her some sort reason as to why she’s doing what she is other than “because she’s evil” especially in this show where “evil isn’t born, it’s made”.
But I would be glad if for once there is a villain that his evil just for the sake of it. Every baddy in the show is bad because of a sad or tragic background. Having a new one and then explaining that she is like that because her moma was killed in front of her or something like that, it would be lame and ridiculous. It not because “Evil isn’t born, it’s made” that it’s a reason valid enough to overuse it.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Do you think they send Neal to NL? Because why send Neal to NL if they are going there themselves? The big issues here is trying to figure out where everyone is trying to get and where they end up.
I think maybe they send him to FTL. This is related to the pictures of him with Aurora, Mulan and Philip.
So with all the news developments in the case- I mean in the spoilers, I start to think that maybe Tamara and Greg send Neal away so that they could grab Henry without him being in the way.
And it look like Rumpel may not be involved in what happens to Henry. I don’t think he would have made a deal with Evil Duo for them to take Henry so that he get rid of him?
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@LaurieAnne wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I think he’s learned a lot. I think he knows he made the wrong choice as he said to Bae in The Miller’s Daughter. I think he’s going to struggle with it, absolutely. He wouldn’t be Rumple if he didn’t. But I think the game-changer is going to be a positive one. There is still plenty of drama for Papa and Bae to be played out (especially if Bae and Hook had a father/son relationship). It’s going to be a long (series long) road for Rumple to redemption and there will be setbacks but I don’t think he will follow through with any plan he has about Henry.
Yes, Rumple has acknowledged his mistakes to Neal, so their relationship seems to be looking up right about now. Yet, just as Rumple was facing death and apologizing to Neal, he was simultaneously conning Snow White into killing Cora with dark magic to save his own skin. So, has he really learned form his mistakes? Robert Carlyle said at Paley Fest that even after centuries of searching for Baelfire, Mr. Gold really hadn’t learned anything; he offered to use magic to turn Baelfire back into a teenager again, and magic is what cost Rumple his boy again in the first place. If Rumple has any hope of true redemption, it has to result from his own choice to willingly give up magic once and for all. As long as he clings to magic, he will keep paying the high price.
For me, it will all come down to what are Rumple’s intentions. Does he really want to change for his own sake, and not just to please his son or Belle? He has chosen magic both over Belle and Baelfire before, and since then Rumple, has really only acted in a self-serving manner. I recall a conversation in which Regina said intent is everything (when speaking about their deal that something tragic should happen to Kathryn) and Rumple had to play his please card to avoid speaking about his intentions. He has a way of nit-picking over all the details so that people don’t see his intent. I know he loves Belle and Bae, but he has hurt them both, which is the price Rumple has had to pay for his magic. You’d think he’d have learned not to tamper with magic after he lost Bae and used the curse to arrive in a land land without magic, yet he brought magic to SB anyway. Immediately after, Rumple promised Belle he wouldn’t harm Regina, but then had the Wraith do his dirty work. Bring magic caused the people of SB to lose their memory if they crossed the town line, so that Belle lost her memory. That was a huge price to pay for Rumple.
What are Rumple’s intentions? Whether he even tries to carry out the plan to remove Henry is really the lynch pen. Will Rumple give up his magic if it means saving Henry? Could that be his undoing? Or does Rumple still think he can keep Baelfire and his magic by plotting to be rid of Henry? I doubt he’d ever kill his grandson, but he probably wants him out of the picture. I think Rumple believes he can out-smart destiny, by being rid of Henry, but in the midst of carrying out his plan, he realizes that “undoing” can have many different meanings. Perhaps he sets his plan into motion to be rid of Henry by trying to send him away, but as he does so, Rumple has second thoughts and then sacrifices himself to save Henry, but it comes too late, and instead Baelfire is sent far away. Just my thoughts.
I love your way of thinking. You said basically everything I thought but better than I could ever say it (english not being my first language don’t help alas) Yes Rumpel don’t want to change for the right reason. He want to change for someone else. Right now he still need a crutch. Belle and Neal are his new crutches. It’s like quit smoking: you must before all stop for yourself, not because someone told you so, or advice you to do so. It must come from yourself, within yourself, you must want to stop with your own mind, not someone else mind.
And Rumpel want to change but don’t want to give up on his magic. Paradox.
I would be glad to see him evolve for real, yeah because until now I don’t think he really evolved that much. I don’t want him to become all Care Bear on everyone, but he could at least stop manipulate and plot, and give up his magic, no? Is it too much too ask Gold?
Maybe the rest of Rumple’s struggle will really be how he comes to terms with being just like everyone else,
Yes, that the thing. Rumpel need to accept being like everyone else. Maybe not really like Mr and Mrs Everybody, because, it’s Rumpel, but still. And for now I feel that the mere idea of being magicless irk him
There should be a multiple quote button..
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Can I just ask you something? If it prove to be indeed Rumple who do something to Henry, then what are you going to say? Will you still take his defense or are you going to condemn him? No bashing intended, I’m just curious.
Honestly? It depends on what he does. I have no doubt that Rumple will struggle with it and he may even have a plan, but I doubt he acts on it. If he does…then we’ll see where I stand. But mostly, I’ll always defend him. It is a very human characteristic to want to preserve one’s own life. Nobody wants to die and if Rumple is seriously considering hurting Henry then we have to acknowledge that it’s part of his humanity. To me, he is one of the most human characters on TV which is of course ironic given how unhuman he is supposed to be. I can’t see myself outright condeming him. I love him too much.
I understand the need to root for him because you love him so much, but how can I acknowledge him hurting or doing something bad to Henry? I mean, basically you are saying “Ok, Rumpel have harmed Henry, sending him away to be left alone in a stranger world. But hey, it’s ok, because it’s part of his humanity” Nobody should harm a child, for any reason whatsoever, and be forgiven for that. And I don’t think it’s being human doing that. On the contrary it’s both inhuman and prodigiously selfish. No one should put oneself before a child. Survival instinct is a thing, and I totally comprehend that, but Rumpel doing something to Henry because of that would be crossing the line for me. Then I won’t be able to defend him anymore, because it would prove he’s still a selfish coward. And being afraid of a child with that. All of his character development would be for nothing then. I really hope the writers won’t go ahead with it because it would really be the end of my love for him. It would really put him beyond any comprehension or forgiving for me.
But for now I wait and see.
If Rumple has a plan to remove Henry from SB (as I suspect he does) and then acts on it, then he really will have learnt nothing from when he let go of Baelfire and there will be no justification for it.
This. Rumple is know to have bullied any chance he could have to do the right things in the past. If he destroy that one, it will be the one too many in my eyes.
