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Likes: Everything but the (fake?) Wicked!pregnancy.
Its a shame the writers continue to drag Robin Hood’s character in the mud. He’s a victim like 3 times over, but they’ve written this story in such a way that it makes it hard for folks to sympathize with him. I feel your pain, Robin.
P.S Did Regina really steal Belle’s heart? Last week, I just assumed that Belle agreed to let her take it and control her to dupe Rumple, but she was shocked that was missing this time…
It’s still left totally vague. Regina told Belle to forget everything, so she even forgot that she either gave Regina her heart willingly or that it was taken from her.
Thats how I read that as well. The way Belle didn’t even know why Regina would want her heart confirmed that Regina made her forget everything. Someone on Tumblr theorized that Regina did this to take all ownership away from Belle. As far as Rumple knows the “How can I help” conversation never happened.
And did anyone get get the feeling that Rumple took Will’s heart? He threatened him and the way Will stepped back when Rumple came to the shop seemed…weird to me.
[adrotate group="5"]A couple of things:
Lily said her misfortunes began once she met Emma. That all the things she did that were right ended up terribly wrong.
Lily also mentioned being around Emma seemed to negate the negativity in Lily’s life.
The Apprentice said the deck was stacked against Lily and that makes everything harder.
This makes me think Emma might be able to “fix the deck”. Free will still applies for both Emma and Lily, the only thing the Apprentice did was make the circumstances of Lily’s life that much more difficult to overcome. (I could draw some parallels to real life, but I don’t want to derail the conversation.)
What I don’t, fundamentally, get is Robin’s reaction. There is a fine line between acting honorable and being inexplicably not revolted at having been taken advantage of in this way. He just seemed almost fond of her, for crying out loud — and not for a second did he seem to question the veracity of the claim. I mean, she just lied to him about who she is, impersonating his wife, whom she had killed. Wouldn’t the expected reaction be “Prove it?”
Yeah, THAT. They can still fix it if the next episode opens on the same scene and they show more of his reaction as the whole hot mess really sinks in in his head, but I won’t be holding my breath for that. They should have written his initial reaction in a different way. I dunno Her plan is to get Robin away from Regina and secure her own happy ending by ruining Regina’s, right? How does being fake!pregnant ensure that happy ending?
I didn’t read his reaction that way at all. He seemed pretty shocked. And all he said was he couldn’t leave Zelena in NYC, not that he was staying with her.
I’m not sure we know what Zelena’s Happy ending is. Previously it was having Regina’s life, not ruining it. While being pregnant with Robin’s baby would ruin Regina’s happiness, it wouldn’t lead to Zelena’s happiness. She’s living in a semi-crappy apartment with no magic with a man and child she could care less about. I’m convinced this the pregnancy was all a ploy to get back in Storybrooke so she can get her real happy ending.
When Zelena talked to Regina she made the comment, “See you soon.” She knew Regina would come and get Robin.
Or, in the fine tradition of trashy talk shows into which this episode of OUAT is apparently morphing, shouldn’t Robin be asking for a paternity test? ;-P
Now that would be funny. Robin Hood asking for a pregancy test. This is where we are with this show. Ugh.
I think what I will be upset with is if Zelena is not pregnant and Emma doesn’t smell the lie.
I have a feeling Zelena lied about being pregnant, because she needed leverage in the event Regina were to track them down. And since she’s in The Land Without Magic outside of Storybrooke, she didn’t have her spellcasting tactics (save the 6 leaf clover) at her disposal.
I absolutely think she is lying. She needs a way into Storybrooke to meet up with Rumple to get her happy ending. Regina was ready to leave her in NYC. Robin, with his gosh forsaken honor, would never leave her there with his rape-baby in utero.
I think what’s interesting is how Regina fans want Regina to achieve redemption but don’t want to acknowledge the bad things that she needs the redemption for. It’s a paradox. How can Regina redeem herself if she’s done nothing wrong and she was just being manipulated.
I’m only responding to this because it was a direct reply to what I wrote.
I think this might be true to some, but not to me. I mentioned previously in the thread that I thought both Rumple and Regina were wrong with how far they’ve taken things in the past and currently.
And it seems like a lot of Regina dissenters are unwilling to admit that without outside forces (Cora, Rumple Leopold, [The Author?], Regina’s life would have been much different. And that those outside forces were wrong for how they manipulated her. That was my ultimate point. That doesn’t free Regina from the consequences of her hideous action, which were her own.
Regina’s redemption isn’t going to be a linear process. There will be setbacks — if it were easy, there’d be no villains.
I agree.
However, I will say that I think both Rumple and Regina are going about getting her happy ending the wrong way by getting the Author to rewrite their story.
I think this is an interesting point. Currently Regina doesn’t know The Author was able to manipulate Snow and Charming and Snow and Charming don’t know about Page 23. Only Emma knows all of these things, right? Rumple and The Author will remain one step ahead of Henry’s family because they aren’t sharing information.
Agree. Regina was setting up Sydney to murder her husband. Of course, Regina was going to slant things to make Sydney sympathize with her and do her dirty work for her.
This is funny because the argument is that somehow Regina is responsible for all of her choices despite being manipulated, but Leopold was not. There was no way Leopold could have been manipulated if he didn’t a) read Regina’s diary b) lock her in a tower c) ask the Genie to find the man who she was ‘in love with’.
It is interesting how people see two different things while watching the same source material.
Despite Leopold’s proposal being accepted by Cora, I don’t think Leopold was so unreasonable that he would’ve punished Regina if she’d gone to him and said she didn’t want to marry him.
Leopold first of all wanted to marry a teenager, even if it was just because of Snow. Thats questionable. He then accepted her consent of marriage from her mother, not her. So that makes him doubly sketchy in regards to Regina.
Not even a king has the power to force someone to say yes in a wedding vow.
While I don’t think Leopold would force her to say yes, a King could definitely make this happen. We’re talking about a teenager being asked by the main power welder in the land, who could be her grandfather, for her hand in marriage. He can do whatever he wants.
. True, Regina said she felt like a prisoner after she married the king, but I doubt she was ever his actual prisoner under lock and key.
In the Genie story Leopold locked Regina in her room because he read her diary and thought she was cheating on him. He then asked the Genie to kill whoever the man was. So we have seen Leopold lock Regina up for doing something he didn’t like and ordering the murder of someone who was in his way.
Leopold the King and Leopold, Regina’s husband are two different things.
How do you know Regina never said yes?
On the show that we’ve all watched Regina never said yes. And while the legal age is 18 in the United States we are talking about the Enchanted Kingdom where the King is the law and you are making the argument that Regina, the 18 year old girl has the agency to tell the King, who is the law, no, I don’t want to marry you even though my mother said yes.
And your whole argument would be irrelevant if Regina is 17 instead of 18. Which is a real possibility.
Rumple and Cora may have manipulated events such that Regina’s life sucked, but it was Regina’s choice to turn around and marry Leopold. Cora had already gone through the mirror at that point, and Regina had yet to say “I do” at that point. No one held a gun at Regina’s head and made her say those marriage vows.
Wasn’t Regina like 17-18 years old? A series of traumatic things happened to her. She’s engaged to the King, who is 3x her age, even though she never consented to that and you expected her to have the agency to just say “Welp, never mind!”? Regina never said yes. Her decision to not say no does not mean she consented.
All of that reads to me like a proverbial gun to her head.
