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I don’t know, maybe this is just me, but if I’m Zelena-pretending-to-be-Marian, I’d purposefully avoid revealing the fact that I was saved from the Evil Queen’s dungeons, no matter the strife it might cause between Robin and Regina. Why? Because it’d raise a red flag. In Witch Hunt, Robin describes Marian’s death as having both been his fault and on a job – neither of which point to being taken from a village with no sign of her husband or son anywhere nearby. Maybe it’s a retcon, lord knows the show’s done it plenty before, and I’d lean that way if that bit of dialogue came in 3A, but it was 3B after they’d already started putting the Zelena arc together, so until proven otherwise I think it was intentional. If Marian really DID die on a job, bringing attention to how “Marian” supposedly almost died would blow her cover.
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Maybe I’m completely off base, but I think they’re just talking thematically/structurally, not necessarily an actual journey to another land. It’s Oz-like in that you have a Dorothy (Rumple) with three companions (the QOD) on a “journey” of sorts to see the Wizard/track down the Author for their happy endings.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Maybe this is just me, but I really don’t think a younger Maleficent/Cruella/whoever makes that much sense. The show does flashbacks nearly every episode, seeing younger versions of the QOD (whether so young as to cast another actress or not) would not be a surprise, it’s expected by, and I can’t say I’d understand why they’d keep the identity and even which episodes Agnes is appearing in a secret if she was just a younger QOD. Older Lily would make more sense but count me in the camp that would be extremely disappointed in them if they really whitewashed her with age like that.I’m all over Bruckner-as-Black Fairy setting her up for the next arc. Let’s go with that one. For once I’m not the only one saying Black Fairy Morgana. This is a pleasant surprise.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Well, Dracula can actually walk in sunlight in Bram Stoker’s novel. No problem at all. It’s just that he’s powerless (or not as powerful, at least, it’s been awhile). Though it’s become an integral part of the modern mythos, it pretty much originates from the Nosferatu film in 1922 as far as I can tell. Any of literature’s oldest, classic vampires -Varney, Dracula, Carmilla? They all go out in the sun.
I never thought of Cruella as a vampire, but I like the idea and could be on board with it, I think.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
I’m rather annoyed, I replied to this thread last night and it didn’t post.
Let’s try again.
I admit to being really tired of the plot-device-of-the-week shtick, but less annoyed about it being a gauntlet than some people seem to be. I dunno, to me a gauntlet seems to be one of the most easily portable and instantly recognizable pieces of armor. It screams “knight!”. Of course, they’ll never explain how it can do what it can do, but I’m headcanoning that it was taken off the hand of a dead, traitorous knight and enchanted, hence why it can “betray” others’ biggest weaknesses.
I like to think that we’ll eventually get flashbacks to when Rumple got the gauntlet. Not til next year, because besides the possibility of Merlin-as-SorcerAuthor there’s no time or space for a proper dive into Arthuriana in 4B, but perhaps after Jafar in 5A. Because after 3A and 3B’s finales with the wand, I’m pretty much convinced this is the third arc in a row which has concluded with the involvement of an item that came from the Black Fairy of Camelot.
Because, really, why would the good guys have a magical weakness-revealing gauntlet unless they were keeping it from everyone and if that’s the case why would Merlin give it TO RUMPLESTILTSKIN? Simple, because he didn’t, the gauntlet came from Morgana and was traded to Rumple after she no longer had any use for it, having already used it to uncover the Lancelot/Guinevere affair, which would also be a great way to bring Sinqua Walls back and tie the gauntlet into things hinted at way back in season 2.
Which, of course, means that we’re never even going to hear the word “gauntlet” again.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Just saw the interview. Yup. Merlin. (who lives in our world under the name Walt. I’m not letting that one go)
Well, hey, the proto-Merlin in Welsh legend was named Myrddin Wyllt. Wyllt’s close enough to Walt, right? There’s hope yet.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Funny story, my friend and I went to go see a production of the Lerner & Loewe Camelot musical tonight before watching OUAT. Imagine my shock (and how fast I sat up from my position laying on the couch) when we sit down and the first flashback scene has Belle asking Rumple how his trip to Camelot was.
I’m on board with the Sorcerer being Merlin because I’ve been waiting for a proper dive into Arthurian waters since Lancelot, but this begs a bigger question:
Where the heck is he? Why is the house abandoned for Henry, Rumple, and half the town to go scavenger hunting around the halls? I speculated awhile ago that Merlin was in the hat without connecting him to the sorcerer, did he get tricked into his own hat? Because unless he’s incapacitated somehow, I don’t understand why this all-powerful, benign sorcerer would sit by and let Rumple go off with the hat and do all sorts of shady things in and around his home. I don’t know about any of you, but I wouldn’t just go on holiday, leave a WMD like that hat sitting around on my table and never check up on it again.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
I’m glad to see this is getting acknowledged and not swept under the rug.
And to be fair re: Will, that was never supposed to be answered in 4A, they’ve been saying pretty much since the beginning of Socha-on-Once being official that any substantial Will backstory/explanation wouldn’t come until 4B. Belle finding out about Rumple’s lies, though, has been put off for too long I’ll agree on that.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Next season half is totally a Rumple Centric Season 4B…and if not Rumple, then probably Regina. Those two probably have the most history with Cruella, Mal, and Ursula. As a matter of fact, next season 4B is just Villains Centric in general about villains getting their happy ending.
I disagree, mainly because Rumple and Regina have already had their centric arcs in 3A and 3B. Pan was Rumple’s villain, Zelena was Regina’s, and now Ingrid & 4A was Emma. I see 4B being villains centric (I sure hope so anyways) and about villains getting their happy endings for sure, and Regina’s quest to get hers will probably be a major part of it, but as for who the arc will belong to if they continue to go that route, my money’s on the one former villain we have who is arguably most on his way to achieving a happy ending right now – Hook.
That or, like Cinders said, I’d like a Snow-centric 4B as well. Her, Hook, and Will are (I believe) the only main cast to NOT have had any backstory this half, which leads me to believe one of them will take the forefront in 4B. Though they’ve said we’ll get more Will in 4B, I tend to think they’ll wait until Jafar in 5A to give him a real and proper villain arc instead of thrusting him into the limelight right after such minimal appearances in 4A.
I have to say, though, while I appreciate people’s desire to have the show go back and focus on the core and original supporting casts, can any of you name one long running, successful genre show that didn’t frequently add new antagonists, supporting characters and plot elements? I can’t think of any – doesn’t mean they don’t exist, but they’re not the norm. I feel like the only reason OUAT gets so much flak for it is because unlike adding Bill and Jane for an episode or an arc, they introduce characters like Glinda and Tinkerbell that come coded with years of previous adaptations and personal feelings about said characters. Just my opinion, but it doesn’t bother me as much as it seems to a lot of people because to me it’s the same as Buffy’s legion of supporting characters, or the entire groups they introduced in a couple of Lost seasons.
Have they sold out? Yeah, maybe, though it can be argued that that started all the way back with ABC’s going ahead with Once Upon a Time instead of the previously-in-development Fables adaptation (a comic series from Vertigo that has a similar premise but without the Disney ties). Honestly, though, even if every arc since 3A has coincided with some sort of release or anniversary, I’ve also enjoyed each of them so far and I say bring on the Queens of Darkness. The villains are always my favorite and personally I’ve been wanting a villain mashup again since season 2, so I’m eagerly awaiting 4B.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
2) How did Regina not know that some new stranger arrived in her town?
This is what vexes me most, because I remembered this and kept waiting for a scene all episode. Must have gotten cut, which is extremely annoying and one of my few complaints about the episode. Regina got involved and interested in visitors like August & Greg, but some non-cursed stranger opens an ice cream shop and she didn’t have anything to say about it?
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
