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Did Cora’s speech at the end make sense given that she’s not supposed to have her heart?
No, it didn’t make sense. Cora supposedly didn’t realize that Regina would’ve been enough for her until she had her heart back. Yet, in this episode Cora, who was supposed to heartless at this point, said she had been wrong about love being weakness. Yet, that admission just seems like a huge retcon of what Cora, still heartless, said to Emma in The Queen of Hearts. Cora also said in this episode that she just wanted Regina to have a child for her own sake. I suppose Cora could’ve been lying to manipulate Regina, and that Regina’s suspicions about Cora weren’t unfounded. Yet, Cora did pass on a piece of motherly advice, something Cora said it had taken her a lifetime to learn, namely that that the only one standing in the way of her happiness was herself. However, even that piece of advice doesn’t make sense, because Cora didn’t learn what real happiness was until her dying breath in The Miller’s Daughter when Cora finally realized Regina would’ve made her happy. So, again, it seemed like a huge retcon of Cora’s entire character that she seemed to be genuinely interested in Regina’s happiness in Mother.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Zelena really is pregnant but won’t be raising her child. It sounds like Robin and Regina will be, with Zelena granted very limited contact. How do you feel about this solution?
Is it certain that the pregnancy is for real? Zelena could still be lying about being pregnant, since Regina didn’t make her pee on a stick or anything.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I hope Zelena isn’t a returning character in S5.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
And now I’m sad again, having just re-watched Rumple’s speech at Neal’s grave. 🙁 Rumple truly did turn to dust when they took away his son.
*throws tomatoes and curses at writers*
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
One of the reasons I think we could potentially see Rumple saving young Baelfire from an ogre is based on something Rumple said at Neal’s grave in 4×1.
Rumple: My boy, remember when you were small, there was a night, during the ogre’s war. There was a terrible noise, horses hooves, thundering down a dusty path. You crawled into my bed. And I can still hear your little voice, ‘Papa, I’m afraid.’ And I guess by instinct I just said, ‘Don’t you worry, son. Everything going to be fine.’ And you smiled at me. You know that was the happiest moment of my life, because for the first time ever, I felt like a man, that I could truly look after you, alone.
Why do I bring up that scene now? Because I think that speech he made at Baelfrie’s graveside is part of what is motivating Rumple now. Yes, Rumple is choosing the cowardly way of self-preservation, once again, but I think deep down Rumple wants to be worthy of his son’s sacrifice. Rumple wants to be the hero. He said that the happiest moment of his life was when he told his son not to worry, and that it was the first time in his life he ever felt like a man. So, I still think deep down Rumple’s happy ending somehow includes him saving young Baelfire from an ogre. I don’t know if that’s possible, given that Baelfire is dead, or whether the author has the power to do so, but that scene seemed to give an insight into Rumple wanting to be brave, strong, and worthy of his son’s sacrifice. Yeah, I have my doubts we’ll see even young Baelfire again, based on what A&E said, but for goodness sake, Baelfire not being his father’s happy ending makes absolutely no sense to me.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
yeah I’ll take a look at it. Just got home.
Thanks! <3
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
It seems like true love and happiness on the show only happen if you’re under 40.
Except Hook is over 200-years-old, as is Rumple. The only difference is that Hook looks like he’s in his 30s, whereas Rumple looks to be in his 50s (despite both being centuries old). But I take your meaning.
Even with Philip and Aurora Mulan was a (possible) interloper in their relationship.
That’s true, but Mulan’s feelings for Aurora seemed to be unreciprocated. I think Aurora was and is still in love with Philip. They have canonically shared TLK before, and now they have a baby. I think Aurora regards Mulan more like a sister than anything else.
What I don’t think you can do successfully on this show is apply real-world standards of morality and ethics to the relationships shown on the show. Most of the issues the main couples face has to do with magic.
Even fantasy needs to be grounded in reality, especially on a show about fairy-tales, in the real world. The entire premise of the show since the pilot is about fairytale characters being trapped in our world, “where there are no happy endings” (to quote from the pilot). So the question now becomes: how do these characters go about getting their happy endings now that they’re here and what would that even look like? Emma, who grew up in ALWM, said it was her job to bring back the happy endings. What are those happy endings even supposed to look like in the real world?
I find that it is hard for me as a viewer to make true judgement calls on what it means to have a Happy Ending in a world where glamour spells, curses, and prophesies exist. But I think that makes Once enjoyable for me because it is so unrealistic.
Again, I see your point about the fantastical elements of the show like magic not being part of a real-world scenario, but even fantasy has to be grounded in reality for the audience to be able to relate. Things like curses and monsters are symbolic of real-world problems like natural disasters, wars, addictiosn or the breakdown of families, and how these fictional characters deal with these trials, magical or otherwise, is what makes them relatable to the audience. So, I think the audience can hold the characters to certain real-life standards, especially since SB is supposed to be set in the real world. As Jennifer Morrison has said:
Though it seems like curses have become Once’s go-to foil for our favorite heroes, star Jennifer Morrison is quick to defend the ABC series, pointing out that the show itself is a fairy tale. “Fairy tales are not literal,” she tells EW on the set of Once while filming next Sunday’s spell-centric episode. “They are very metaphorical, and they are very representative of other things.
“In order to be real with Emma, I have to look at it representationally,” she continues. “I see the curses and spells and all the crises that come our way—the snow monsters and witches and all those things—as representative of the things that come our way that are hard in life: illness, death, exams, fights with loved ones, breakups. All those things are, in real life, what would be a curse or spell in Storybrooke. Yes, we have to bond together to fight these major things, but it’s just like a family has to bond together to fight cancer, or deal with a death in the family, or a parent losing a job, or not getting into the school you want to.”
Still, Morrison recognizes that the excess of curses might make it seem like these characters are crazy for not leaving Storybrooke. “But that’s like saying we’re crazy in real life,” she says. “In real life, stuff comes your way and you have to find a way to survive and deal with it.
“The underlying message of the show is that you have to fight for the people that you love, because those are the people that are going to stand by you in those battles,” she continues. “That’s part of the appeal of the show. It is worth it every day to fight through those hard things, just like it’s worth it to fight through the curse or whatever in Storybrooke. Whether it’s a good battle or a bad battle, you’re going to fight together, and that’s what we all have to hang onto. That’s the only way I can see it. Otherwise, if you take it too literally, you’re like, ‘Well, this is kind of crazy.’”
Source EW.com
Did Jennifer Morrison just give us her take on the message of the show? She did. “The underlying message of the show is that you have to fight for the people that you love, because those are the people that are going to stand by you in those battles,” said Morrison.
So, if fighting for the people you love is the core message of the show, then how do we apply that to the romantic relationships, including the marriages, on the show? Does that mean Rumple should be fighting for Belle, despite her saying he’d already lost her? Does Belle morally need to accept Rumple back, despite being in a relationship with Will Scarlet now? What about when Robin Hood thought he was still married to “Marian” despite being in love with Regina? What about when Snow scarified her husband to save their child?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Regina clearly says in the sneak peek that she was a child though?
True, but according to MP’s theory, this AU didn’t actually change the original story’s timeline. Instead, the author just changed the characters’ memories. (I think I’m starting to buy this theory the more I think about it). Therefore, even though AU-Regina thinks she did something as a child to lead to James’ death, she didn’t really. James actually still died in a duel, since the events of the original story remain true, even if the AU characters currently don’t remember their past lives.
But that still leaves my question. How will the AU explain Emma being the same age as Snow White and Charming? Will Emma still think she is Charming and Snow’s daughter in the AU? Or will Emma think she is somebody else’s daughter?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Re: Snow and Regina’s ages, I think @MP’s idea about them both being adults when James died makes a lot of sense. I think the more interesting question is how in heck Emma being the same age as Snow and Charming will make any sense, seeing how in the AU, time wasn’t frozen because there was no dark curse. So how is it that Snow, Charming and Emma all appear to be the same age? Is Emma even Snow’s daughter in the AU? Could Emma be Snow or Charming’s sister instead of their daughter?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
In the enchanted Forest, good always wins. So I’m sure that while the villains may try to get their happy endings and slaughter the heroes, lik in the origina EF, the will always fail. “The game is rigged! The villains never win” – Cruella De Vil.
Rumple just found a way to change fate so that the odds are now stacked against the heroes, rather than the villains. As Rumple said, “it’s time the villains got their happy endings.” So, at least temporarily, the villains will become the heroes and the heroes become the villains in this AU. However, I do agree that things are going to be reset when Henry becomes the next author, and according to Henry, “good always wins.” I think Henry will put things to rights, by undoing the AU, thereby “undoing” Rumple in the process. Rumple will go back to being a villain, and may not get his happy ending. As Rumple once said, “I’m a villain, and villains don’t get happy endings.”
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
