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Is season 6 going to end the way you originally planned to end the series?
KITSIS: Yes.
HOROWITZ: Well, sort of.
KITSIS: Season 6 is ending the way that we always planned for it to end.
So yes, but sort of, but yes?
To me, this answer sounds really slimy. Eddy pretty much lied through his teeth the first time, while Adam waffled, and then Eddy came back the way a politician would with an edited reply. Yes, season 6 is going to finish the way season 6 was planned (at the end of season 5), but the show won’t end the way it was planned at the start.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Has he spoken to Belle?
Waiy, yeah….. Have we seen Gideon and Belle together outside of the dream thing? I don’t think we have o.o
Yes, we did at the tail end of 6×10 and again in 6×11, but only for a really fleeting moment.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Here’s a BONUS SCOOP about Sunday’s episode from Ginnifer Goodwin: “The backstory that we learn in that episode is also fairly heartbreaking and focuses a lot on the sacrifices that we make for the family as we discover that the Charmings may have had an opportunity to reunite with Emma long before they did.”
I’ve no idea what’s going on in 6×17, but from the sounds of it, this’ll be another reason to add to why Emma is actually vindicated in resenting her parents. If Emma ever finds out her parents had a chance to find her before she found them, what would it do to her relationship with her parents?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I wouldn’t put it past them. “It was all a story after all” would be just the kind of thing to get people mad tweeting, which these writers seem to love to do.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
All I could think of when the giant spider was going to kill Emma was, “Don’t eat Frodo!” It was a call back to LOTR.
nevermore wrote: Anyway, all of this would be just fine, as long as we, the audience, don’t buy into the in-universe hero/villain ideology. It’s just another example of OUAT’s confusion about whether villains/heroes is an in-universe “culture”, or an out-of-universe meta narrative. If it’s ideology, as the show seems to be hinting with Gideon this season, then all we can do is measure Emma by in-universe standards. One problematic thing is that heroes in the show get to decide who is and is not a villain/hero, and deciding that those associated villainy are, by and large, less-than-human and disposable.
@nevermore: As usual, I think you’ve found the real crux of the issue. This show cannot make up its mind if villains are made or born. Just look at Cruella — she had been clinically insane since her childhood when she killed her dad. That sounds pretty evil to me, and it sounds like she was born that way. Yet, Gideon clearly isn’t evil by nature since he wanted to do good and to be a hero.
Also, if most (but not all) villains aren’t born but made, what about saviors? Isn’t the real reason that Emma is a savior because she was born of true love and Rumple added a drop of her parents’ love to the dark curse parchment? In other words, is Emma “The Savior” because of her own choices, destiny, or some odd blend of both? She was born magical, yet she also supposedly had the greatest potential for darkness (until her parents put it into Lily – stupidest plot twist ever). That brings up the Charmings. As Rumple said, they see things in black and white. Snow and Emma threatened to murder Gideon, despite knowing he’d been corrupted by the Black Fairy! How is that heroic? It’s also a huge double standard since both gave Regina and Hook a second, or even a third, or fourth chance. Both Regina and Hook are guilty of trying to kill Emma and her family, so what gives? Why is Emma so set against Gideon but not Hook or Regina? I know Gideon tried to kill her, but so did they!
What is the show’s message? Yes, sometimes people do bad things because they had horrible upbringings or were abandoned. We get it! But what makes people do good things? Rumple said the Charmings only see the world in black and white, and it clearly gets in the way of their ability to see clearly. So is belief in and hope and good really admirable if it blinds the so-called heroes and makes them act like fools and hypocrites? Rumple is a much more interesting character because at least he sees the world clearly. He is addicted to dark magic, but he doesn’t want his son to be that way, and he clearly loves the goodness in Belle’s heart. Rumple also wanted to spare Baelfire from the darkness as well. Rumple and Regina do the hard things that no one else really does on this show, as they did in Going Home. No wonder the fans love the so-called villains, who’ve killed loads of people, on this show more than the so-called heroes. It’s indeed ridiculous.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I actually really like Gideon as a character. They have done a good job with him and the actor did a great job last episode. If the show had more time, I would be down to see Emma and Gideon together. And that’s saying how much I like Gideon considering how I don’t have a problem with Hook.
I agree that Gideon is a really interesting character. I think part of it is due to the actor (what with his easy British charm), but I also think his narrative arc is interesting. He has a lot of inverted parallels to Emma, as I already wrote. What I want to see is more of the Emma and Gideon dynamic. Both having magic and similar backgrounds is really interesting. Both potentially being saviors is doubly interesting.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Oh yeah no doubt they didn’t have this planned, but it’s something could happen now and could be a fun twist.
Oh sure. Yeah, I agree there.
Prophesy can be fun, if done right. It reminds me of seasons two and three when Rumple debated whether the boy who would be his undoing would be Henry, but it might really have been Peter Pan. Now, I wonder if it could be Gideon. LOL!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I had translated it for the podcast way back when. And i think I translated it for the filming thread when we had a close up of the words. Check there?
Do you mean the Greek message from Firebird or the most recent “Final Chapter” in Mother’s Little Helper? I recall that you successfully translated the Greek message to mean “only a heart full of true love could pass” (or something like that), but that it wasn’t clear because the word was agape, the Greek word for divine love, not eros, the Greek word for romantic love. To clarify, I wonder if anyone has figured out how to decipher runes to read the Final Chapter. 😀
Guys, I have a theory. Back in the pilot, Rumple said the “child” would return and the final battle would begin. And people are saying that the writers didn’t plan this season 6 ending storyline back then when they said “the final battle.” That they probably meant the final battle to breaking the curse etc. In the scene, it is assumed he is talking about Emma bc that’s who he was talking about throughout the conversation. What if it isn’t her though? We know that Rumple’s future seeing abilities are blurry and don’t show the whole picture. So what if the “child” isn’t Emma. What if it’s Gideon? Didn’t A&E say that we would see another Savior this season or am I making that up? I guess we saw Aladdin but with all this talk of Gideon trying to be a hero, and they really are shoving that down our throats, perhaps he is destined to become a Savior, especially if Emma takes a bow and exits or is killed or gets her Saviorhood stripped away. Or at the very least, if we are also sticking with the prophecy, perhaps “the boy” (Gideon) will be Rumple’s undoing, for those of us who think that actually hasn’t happened yet. And if it was Gideon and not Emma Rumple was talking about (unbeknownst to him), then the “final battle” comment makes more sense and less like they meant just breaking the first curse from season 1. Even though that’s obviously what they meant but this would be a good cover up. Idk, just something to chew on.
It’s a very interesting concept, but I doubt the writers had this ending planned. I don’t think the writers intended for the Dark Fairy to be the mother of Rumple. Most of all, I also don’t think the writers knew that Rumple and Belle would have a son together. Sure, there was potential for Belle to come back and eventually have a family with Rumple, but I don’t think their child was necessarily meant to be the next savior. Yes, it would be a good twist now in the story, especially because Gideon and Emma’s stories have a lot in common. However, I think the writers have come up with this idea only in the past few seasons. Belle being pregnant was probably due to Emily de Ravin being pregnant in the real life, similar to how Snow being pregnant with Baby Snowflake was due to Ginny Goodwin being pregnant for the first time in real life. But I do like this new Gideon twist. I think it adds a good final twist to the story. I found this episode really interesting.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why Henry was writing in runes instead of English for the Final Chapter/Battle?
It’s elvish
Suuuuure but whyyyyyy?
Do you want the in-story reason or the out-of-story reason? If the first, then it’s because of magic. If the latter, then it’s so we, the audience, couldn’t read the ending. No spoilers! 😀
Of course, knowing this audience, someone will try and decipher it the way we did the Greek message in Firebird. Has anyone managed to figure it out yet?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
So I finally had the chance to watch 6×16. Is it wrong that I kinda ship Emma and Gideon now, despite all that he did to try and kill her? However, the Dark Fairy has his heart and has been controlling Gideon, so I don’t think that counts against him. He really does want to be good and to defeat his evil mother, er, grandmother.
The fact that he tried to kill Emma, and the fact that he is Baelfire’s little brother, probably mean that I shouldn’t ship Emma and Gideon, but I sorta do now. Emma and Gideon had awesome chemistry, even though Gideon, under the control of the Dark Fairy, tried to kill Emma. Gideon is such a tortured soul, but deep down, he really has a heart of Gold (pun intended). For me, he’s just a much more compelling character than is Hook, who has openly antagonized Emma when no one was controlling him. The real Gideon wanted to find Emma to ask for her help to defeat the Dark Fairy. It wasn’t until she took his heart that he became her slave.
For me, a union between Gideon and Emma would actually be poetic and beautiful — the children of dark and light magic. Gideon and Emma have such interesting contrasts and inverted parallels that Hook and Emma just don’t. From a narrative perspective, a Gideon and Emma pairing is almost as compelling as Emma and Baelfire were.
Emma is born of true love, and Gideon was born of his parents’ true love, however strained it might be at present due to Rumple’s addiction to dark magic.
Both Emma and Gideon grew up as de facto orphans without parental love and security.
Emma wields light magic; whereas, Gideon wields dark margic.
Emma and Gideon learned about their destiny on their 28th birthday.
Both Gideon and Emma seem to understand what it is to be on their own and to be in need of hope, as Emma said.
Both Gideon and Emma had the call to adventure. For Emma, it was from Henry to be the savior. For Gideon, it was from Roderick to be the hero he was meant to be. Emma and Gideon could have awesome potential.
It’s almost like Gideon were Baelfire 2.0 but with magic.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
