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"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The pipes are definitely being a big fat Chekhov’s gun at the moment. I’m not convinced that the writers are going to let Rumple actually use these for a non-nefarious reason since it seems to me that they’re pretty hell-bent on keeping him in the villain category, no matter what. But if not, then I think your theory makes a lot of sense. I suppose that what makes the Lethe valuable (from Hades’s perspective) is that these souls aren’t going anywhere — they can’t transcend, and they certainly don’t have any hope. So I think you’re right, they are going to be at the crux of overcoming Hades, one way or another.
I guess the only two things that incline me to maintain any hope for Rumple is (a) he’s going to be a papa again and (b) Merlin indicated it was possible for a person to use the darkness for good (someone other than Emma). The implication is that person is probably Rumple. I think his coward days are also behind him, as his “character development” in S5a was meant to show, thanks to Merida making him Brave (TM). While I don’t think he’ll get to live happily ever after again, I see him being very protective of his children. He managed to use the darkness once to end the Ogre War and protect Baelfire, so I could see him doing it to protect his unborn child (*cough replacement baby cough*). However, it could come at some price like his marraige or even worse, his life (assuming Bobby doen’t renew his contract at the end of this season). In 3×11 he said he was a villain and villains don’t get a happy ending. But Rumple dying to save his new kid seems like an acceptable way to go. Of course, it doesn’t explain Rumple being in NYC again.
This is true. But these writers aren’t good at dealing with situations where they paint themselves into a corner. They either go the mad retcon route (likely with Rumple since he’s now a “new man” according to A&E’s interview, for whatever that’s worth), or they kill the character.
I’m not a Rumple apologist, but I don’t think the writers have totally made him evil for evil’s sake again. Probably, he has a reason behind his madness for becoming the dark one again (I hope so anyway). Hopefully, it’s not just addiction. Even “rekilling” Milha (as terrible as it was) is down to Hades threatening his unborn child. Rumple already showed he’s willing to kill to protect his kids. It doesn’t excuse Rumple at all, but I guess it frames it in a way that is understandable. Even Emma killed Cruella to protect Henry.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
So I have a question (admittedly pointless). Did anyone else think that revenge speech Hook gave to (at) Rumple and co about “forestalling the execution” (or something like that, I don’t remember the exact wording) was some heavy-handed foreshadowing?
It stood out to me when he said it, but I was too busy rolling my eyes to think much more of it. Probably, it’s meant to show that Hook hasn’t put his vengence behind him the way many claim he has. These writers like to reset their characters a lot by making them relive the same circular themes over and over again.
But then it occurred to me that they had Rumple re-kill Milah (admittedly his hand was forced by Hades, but still), so it seems to me that we’re headed straight to Hook renewing his revenge vows. He’ll likely find out what really happened and either (a) finally kill Rumple in some weird version of justice or (b) — and more likely — we’ll have another Rumple groveling in front of Hook scene where he asks him to spare him for the sake of his child.
If (a) happens, the writers will never live it down. While I don’t expect Rumple to be redeemed and live happily ever after at this point (they’ve made that painfully clear), I don’t know if the writers have the gumption to kill him off for good (unless Bobby wants out of his contract). How is Hook supposed to kill Rumple, unless it’s with the dark one dagger? That would result in Hook becoming the dark one again. Rumple being the “darkest of dark ones” also makes him seem less likely to grovel at Hook’s feet, unless Hook got possession of that dagger and forced Rumple to beg. But, I do think there is something up with that line.
I thought of another possible scenario in which Rumple actually ends up using his powers for good. Perhaps he eventually helps defeat Hades and uses his father’s pipes to lure the lost souls out of the River Lethe, much the way Peter Pan lured the Lost Boys in Nasty Habits. Why else bother to show the pipes if not for them to be used in the plot this season?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Am I the only one who felt like the whole “Rumple denied Milah the right to more children” was some straw man culpability they’re shoving onto him? It would have worked better if you got even the slightest indication she wants more kids or likes the one she has–but considering the alternative was him murdering someone, I don’t really see why we’re supposed to feel bad for Milah for THAT. Is the show trying to justify her cheating on him? There’s just no way to make the extremeness of her position (hating Spinner Rumps to the point of skipping out on him and her son without even a goodbye) narratively tenable.
You’re not the only one who feels that way.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I love how much Rumple seems to be enjoying this moment.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
All of these clever literary allusions. Too bad the show’s own plot isn’t nearly so clever anymore.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Lily Sparks’ review is up! x
In which Milha is a stand-in for us:
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Milha was mad at Rumple for taking away her chance for a second child with him, but then she up and abandoned her only child, Bae. Makes no sense. Seriously.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
This is probably an “out-there” theory, but here it goes. I wonder if Pan’s pipes can be used to rescue the lost souls from what I’m assuming is the River Lethe. Pan used it on his lost boys, so might it work on lost souls?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
As I wrote in another thread, I’m guessing Rumple is going to find a way to outsmart Hades, defeat him and get everyone home. In other words, he’ll use his magic for the good of his second child.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
