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@RumplesGirl wrote:

We know TLK works in general in SB: Henry/Emma and Snow/Charming, at least from sleeping curses. But magic is apparently so different in SB, that smoochies between Rumple and Belle don’t affect his Dark One powers. I think we’ll find out just how different magic was in SB when/if we get to NL.

Yes, I believe that theme will certainly be explore more in S3. In the recent TVGide Lightning Round, Adam and Eddy sort of hinted in that direction:

Will we discover why, with the curse broken, certain characters didn’t revert to their former-looking selves, like Mr. Gold having the scaly skin?
Kitsis: Not this year.
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Lightning-Round7-Kitsis-Horowitz-Spoilers-1064265.aspx

So, maybe the Dark One’s curse won’t be lifted by the end of S2, but perhaps, hopefully, Belle would at least get her real memories back if Mr. Gold and Lacey share TLK in SB.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Awhile back Phee postulated that Mermaids can exist in many realms and that the ocean can be a portal to many lands. I have no doubt that mermaids exist in FTL but there is also NO doubt that traditionally they exist in Neverland. And I think given the title of the last two episodes and ALLLLLLL the hints to NL this season, I think it’s more likely we end up in NL. The comment Regina made to Rumple in Skin Deep doesn’t mean mermaids only exist in FTL.

I like this! When Rumple talked about places in the ocean so deep that only squids or mermaids could reach it, i was thinking the same things about the oceans possibly connecting the different worlds.

Yeah, my thinking on it was that Hook’s ship traveled through the ocean to get from FTL to NL, so in some way, the ocean has to be accessible from both sides, so the creatures who live in it, like mermaids, can be on either side. Then someone else, (sorry I don’t recall who), mentioned how Snow and Emma’s portal traveled through Lake Nostos, and ended up in the well, which is in keeping with that same theme of waters connecting the different worlds.

While I really like this idea of there being underwater passageways that connect different worlds, I think it was the addition of magical items (e.g. the magic beans or the ashes from the enchanted wardrobe) to the water, not the water itself, which opened up realm-jumping portals. So, for the mermaids to be able to move freely between NL and the EF, they’d have to have some sort of additional magic to be able to swim through to other lands. Maybe squid ink or some sort of underwater magic kelp could assist in this process.

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@HappyEndings wrote:

I still think they all go to FL instead of NL,

That’s possible. The titles for the last two episodes could just mean we’ll see flashbacks of NL.

I also think Gold won’t help Henry do to that undoing thing and setting Snow up to do his dirty work. Regina on the other hand will try to help, don’t forget Gold was willing to sacrifice Snow and Emma at the well but Regina didn’t because of Henry.

While everything you just said of Mr. Gold was true in the past, the main thing that has changed for him is Baelfire is now back in the picture. Whereas before, Mr. Gold wouldn’t have cared the least bit about the Charmings or Henry, he now wants to keep his son in his life. Killing his own grandson would cause irreparable damage to his quest to have his son back. Also, Mr. Gold now owes Prince Charming a favor, which could be to save his family. Well, there is going to be a major game changer in 2×21. Maybe Mr. Gold will stand idly by, forever damaging his relationship with his son, but perhaps the game-changer is that he'll actually act heroically to help Henry, which could be his “undoing” if GOAT manages to steal the Dark One's powers without killing Rumple.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

I agree. How do you deal with someone who is so volatile that any option, really, will result in a war?

In answer to this question, I don’t think there’s a great chance for Regina’s recovery unless magic is forcibly removed from her. I have a little bit more hope for Rumple if he can ever get the real Belle back. Otherwise, he’s on a dark path at the moment.

Maybe if the Charmings, Rumple, Regina, Bae, and Henry all went to another world, they would find a “neutral” zone. If say, magic works differently in Neverland, so that both Regina and Rumple are powerless, they might stand a chance to tolerate each other and sort of start over. (Doubtful, but still a maybe in my book). Plus, I think this is precisely the scenario we'll see in S3.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@Vilya wrote:

They said that he was effected by the curse. He was in the fog of the curse which is why he was unaware of people not aging. It wasn’t until he got the book from Mary Margaret that he starts to become aware of things. That’s almost a direct quote from the podcast.

I think it makes sense. The curse was like a fog that hung over the entire town. It didn’t stop Henry from growing up because he isn’t from the Enchanted Forrest but it didn’t affect how he saw the world. The book was like a wake up call. Which is why it’s still so important.

I agree. I think I’m starting to understand what E & A meant by “affected by the curse.” It’s not that Henry was directly cursed, like say Mary Margaret or David Nolan, because Henry did indeed age. Yet, since he was raised by Regina to have false beliefs, he also lived in a haze and daily routine. I just found a quote which helps to support this theory that while Henry wasn’t cursed per se, he was still under the haze of the curse.

Will it ever be explained how Henry didn’t realize no one was aging in Storybrooke?
Kitsis: We actually explained that in Episode 2 of the very first season, which is that he was under the haze of the curse and it wasn’t until he got the book and he grew up that he did notice. I would say that my 5-year-old has no idea what anyone’s ages are, so Henry really didn’t start to recognize it until he got much older and he was proven right. So a-ha, answered!
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Lightning-Round7-Kitsis-Horowitz-Spoilers-1064265.aspx

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Kurt and Owen Flynn clearly weren’t affected by the curse. So why would Henry be? Maybe it’s because he came to SB as a baby and was raised with false beliefs, so he never questioned them until he got to an age (9 or 10), when Regina could no longer pull the wool over his eyes.

They were also in town only for a few days. Henry was brought in, we think, very soon after his birth. Had Kurt and Owen stayed in SB longer, maybe it would have started to affect them.

Hmmm, maybe, and perhaps Kurt was affected by the curse after he was captured. For all we know, maybe he lost his mind sitting in a basement cell for nearly 30 years. That’d be so sad.

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@Vilya wrote:

They said that he was effected by the curse. He was in the fog of the curse which is why he was unaware of people not aging. It wasn’t until he got the book from Mary Margaret that he starts to become aware of things.

That’s almost a direct quote from the podcast.

Which is why I think it’s a weak explanation on their part. It just doesn’t add up. Kurt and Owen Flynn clearly weren’t affected by the curse. So why would Henry be? Maybe it’s because he came to SB as a baby and was raised with false beliefs, so he never questioned them until he got to an age (9 or 10), when Regina could no longer pull the wool over his eyes. By that age, kids start to question their parental authority. Also, if he felt like Regina didn’t really love him, then he’d be prone to disbelieve her even more. Then, when Henry got the book from MM, he stated to read about a town where time stood still, and he pieced it together with his own town clock standing still at 8:15. Form there, he started to realize none of his classmates ever aged, only he did. Then, he tested his theory by asking MM and other town citizens how long they had been working and their answer was always the same, “for as long a I can remember.” That’s when he decided to believe his adoptive mother was also the evil queen. Also, as a general rule, kids would be way more prone to believe a fairytale is true than a cynical, rational adult like Emma.

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@LaurieAnne wrote:

Adam and Eddy said on the ABC Podcast (this week) that Henry was cursed! I was shocked because I hadn’t heard that at all! I’ve been operating on the assumption that Henry grew up the only “normal” kid in Storybrooke. They said he was under a haze just like everyone else. So the book must have been what startled him out of it. WOW- would Regina wipe out Henry’s real memories? That would be so cruel and awful. But it would accomplish what she wants – to have everything: Henry all to herself. This is pretty scary.

How could Henry be cursed he was borned outside of Storybrooke ❓

Yeah, that doesn’t make any sense to me either. Also, we know Owen and Kurt weren’t cursed when they came to SB. If you ask me, it seems like a cop-out or a weak explanation from Eddy and Adam that Henry was cursed. Maybe what they mean to say is that it was as if he were cursed, not that he actually was. After all, how much do young children of 6 or 7 really “get it” when they often live in a world of imagination anyway? Also, usually kids that young respect the authority of the parents, so he might just have taken Regina’s word for it when she brushed any of his observations about kids not aging under the rug. It wasn’t until he was a little older, age 9 or 10, that he started to question his mother and got the storybook from MM.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@Vilya wrote:

I have watched this video about 40 times and noticed that over the hill full of bodies there are too female figures standing. One is probably Snow, but any ideas who the other one is? (I can’t tell if it is the peasant clad Lana or not)

I’m guessing it’s peasant-clad Regina.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Good point! While I thought Hook’s revenge was self-motivated, maybe Tamara did point him in the right direction of Neal’s apartment.

But it couldn’t have just been happenstance. Do they know each other? Have they met before? Do they just know of each other!? GAH! I want Tamara answers so bad.

That’s what keeps us guessing; so many questions and so few answers! Head-desk, again! My own take is that Tamara first identified Hook (he’s pretty hard to miss, right) and then tipped him off. She might have known about his history with Rumplestiltskin from hearing rather unusual fairytale stories, either from her parents or elsewhere, seen his hook, and put two-and-two together. She then approached him with the address of Neal’s apartment and told him Rumple would be there. She then later “found” him in the storage room, tied him up, and brought him to SB in the back of a truck.

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@LaurieAnne wrote:

Best sneak peek so far – my first impression was that Tamara helped Hook find Rumple in Manhattan. How else did he know where specifically to look?

Good point! While I thought Hook’s revenge was self-motivated, maybe Tamara did point him in the right direction of Neal’s apartment.

Hook needs to give up on killing Rumple because GOAT are a much more dangerous threat. The problem with Hook is that there is no one telling him to be a better man. Unless Emma wants to take that on. 🙂

Yes, I predict a Hook-Emma alliance happening sooner rather than later, and that Hook will betray GOAT. While any relationship may not be reciprocated romantically from Emma’s end, she at least knows to trust him now, after she detected he was speaking truthfully that he would have helped her get home if she hadn’t left him in the giant’s castle. And I think Hook will trust Emma over GOAT after Emma saved his life from a vengeful Mr. Gold.

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I wonder if Gold let himself get drunk just to deal with it…they’re both kinda weavy there, even if she is giggling. And I’m going to guess this is the same night as end of 219 but it’s hard to tell.

Gold did sorta seem to be stumbling around.

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