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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Also, it would explain how Robin knew about the wand in the first place. And maybe the Fairy enchanted his arrow and bow with magic so it would hit its target.

Yes, all of those little puzzle pieces fit pretty well together into this larger theory of interconnectedness between characters.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

I wonder if their leaving has something to do with the wand. I just posted this idea over in the episode synopsis for 220, but here it is again. The issue with the wand Robin stole being Ella’s Fairy Godmother is the timeline. But what if Rumple stole the wand from the fairy initially, Robin and the Fairy strike a deal (he gets the wand back for her and she creates a portal to let Marian and Robin escape to our world) and THEN, several years later, Rumple kills the Fairy and take the wand back for good, thus why he has it in QoH.

That could work. I always wondered if there was a difficult history of conflict between Rumple and Cinderella’s fairy godmother, which is why he killed her. He called her “pure evil” which seems to indicate she had crossed him before. While we know Rumple hates fairies in general because he feels the Blue Fairy stole Baelfire from him, there might be a more specific history with Ella’s fairy godmother that we’ve yet to see. The wand Robin Hood stole looks exactly like the wand Ella’s fairy godmother had, so maybe there was an ongoing feud between this fairy and Rumple, which is how Rumple had her wand to begin with. After Robin got it, he might very well have given it back to Ella’s fairy godmother, who has the same skin color as Marian and could have been her sister. (I have a feeling that fairies could be born from human parents, much like witches could have muggle parents in the Harry Potter saga).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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MRJ has basically confirmed he’s not leaving OUAT! Nealfire fans can all breath a sigh of relief. 😀 😀

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@Phee wrote:

Could Henry be immune to certain types of magic, like his bio mother is? I know he’s got that blank expression in the half second clip when it happens, but that could be deceptive, and maybe that’s when he calls her evil, right after she tries the spell on him and it fails. Perhaps?

That’s a really interesting idea! Like Emma, Henry is also the product of true love. It’s very possible he has good magic within him, too, which can deflect dark magic like when Emma repelled Cora from taking her heart. I would LOVE the see the shock on Regina’s face if she tried to curse Henry but it backfired and he saw her true colors. That would be hard to explain away.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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There was an article published the week before Lacey aired, which I think offers a clue about the inter-connectedness of all these new characters and there being no such thing as mere coincidences on this show.

WHAT DOES TAMARA BRING? | …Tamara and Greg’s mysterious agenda will be made clear over the next two episodes (“That reveal takes off like a rocket,” effuses Horowitz), and as hinted in the last episode, Regina — having deduced Greg’s true identity — “will be front and center in that story,” Kitsis says. “There are not a lot of coincidences here…,” Horowitz says with a smile. “There’s a reason for all of the connections we’ve revealed so far — and some we have yet to reveal.” (And yes, Kurt Flynn’s fate will be divulged by season’s end.) http://tvline.com/2013/04/16/once-upon-a-time-season-2-spoilers-rumple-neal-emma-hook-finale/

The fact that Horowitz said there are some connections which have yet to be revealed with regards to Tamara, I think, means Robin and Marian are Tamara’s parents. It’s not just a coincidence that Tamara and Marian are both African-American or that Marian was pregnant with a child, just like it wasn’t a coincidence that Tamara turned out to be HER (which a lot of people disputed before it was confirmed). Also, why else would the producers introduce new characters like Robin and Marian this late in the season, especially in a Rumbelle episode, unless they tie back into the overall main plot? There is a reason Robin Hood and Marian were introduced when they were, and I believe it’s because they’re going to be revealed as the parents of Tamara.

lilysmom wrote: Ok. I have been trying to figure out what has been bothering me about this theory. I think it is the timing. K&H have insisted that Tamara is from our world. This story happened years before the curse so it is logical to believe that the baby was born in FTL. So even if they were able to escape the curse, the baby is from FTL and couldn’t be Tamara

In terms of the timing, Tamara looks to be around 30. If her parents left the EF for our world just after Robin healed Marian, then actually, her age works perfectly with the timeline. The baby could easily have been born in America a few years before the curse was even unleashed. Her parents might have immigrated to a Land Without Magic simply to escape whatever evil had plagued Marian (perhaps it was dark magic). Also, Tamara’s casting call was very specific:

“African American, Late 20s to mid 30s. She’s beautiful, artistic, relaxed, friendly, charming and smart. She’s also ambitious, fearless and a born leader, and she won’t stop until she gets what she wants.”

Tamara’s age and race fit with her being Marian’s daughter. It’s been 29 years since Emma was born, plus it took a few years before Rumple was able to successfully con Regina into casting the dark curse. So, if Tamara’s parents are Marian and Robin Hood and they left the EF for our world about 30-32 years ago, that actually fits perfectly with Tamara’s age. They had access to magic, so it’s possible they also could have realm jumped or they might have stolen a portal.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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It’s been confirmed that the bow Rumple gave MM to assassinate the queen is the same bow he got from Robin Hood. I think Robin might have enchanted a normal bow with a bit of pixie dust. Just a guess. Where is the bow now? It could still be in Mr. Gold’s pawn shop, somewhere in the back and out of sight.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I saw this on Tumblr and have to share:

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

The meeting of Thomas and Cindy and her pregnancy could have been years apart. Correct me if I’m wrong though!

It could, sure. The only problem is that that is not typically how true love’s fairy tales work. Once the two meet, everything normally happens within a day or two. And because we never got the traditional Cinderella fairy tale story (just the very beginning with the fairy) then yes, we don’t know the space between the ball and the wedding.

So if we take that into consideration then here’s how the timeline would have to look

1) Rumple kills Fairy Godmother and takes wand (maybe 3 or 4 years before Curse)
2) Rumple brings Belle to his castle (3 or 4 yrs BC)
3) Robin Hood shows up to take Wand and the events of Lacey (3 yrs BC)
4) Events of Skin Deep and the Outsider (2 years before curse??!?!?!?!?!) (I hate these markings on Belle’s cell with each passing moment of typing this comment)
5) Regina tells Rumple that Belle is dead (2 years before curse?)
6) Thomas and Cinderella marry (one year before Curse)
7) Cinderella is pregnant (7 ish months before curse)
8) Rumple is captured (7 ish months before curse)
9) CURSE

Ok. Discuss.

I think I missed something. How do we know Belle stayed with Rumple for 2-3 years? I was under the impression that from the time Rumple brought Belle to the dark castle to the time he banished her was only on the order of a few months. Not sure why I think that, but it’s probably because the storytelling in “Skin Deep” seemed so condensed.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

So, Regina magicked Henry? She waves her hand in front of his face and he looks really tranced. Fantastic.

I think Regina casts a spell on Henry. 😕 What is Regina thinking? Now Henry will never want to go near her, unless she cursed him to stay with her. What is she going to do-keep him forever in a drugged state? Yep, mother of the year. 🙄

@RumplesGirl wrote:

That is a great line. Also, totally not fitting with what Regina said in The Queen is Dead when she told Snow in Granny’s that they had added Evil to her title.

Also, I agree about the evil queen adding evil to her own name. There was a clip of an entire town being massacred and corpses everywhere at the 36 sec mark. She’s like a female Stalin. 😡

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

I keep going back and forth in my head about if Lacey is her own person but Keith is taking advantage of the fact she isn’t really herself because her true self is Belle. This is why above, in my first post, I said it was a really gray area. Outside of the humorous “we were cursed!” moment from Snow and Charming, has anyone in SB had to take responsibility for what they did during the Curse years? Is the past, what the did, said, ect really swept under the rug? It’s like when the Curse broke and everyone remembered, their previous lives suddenly didn’t much matter (no matter how often people say they are both) because they were now their true selves. If that’s the case, Belle can’t control what Lacey does but “Lacey” really exist? I keep seesawing on this issue. On the one hand Lacey is completely fictional, she is made up character made up by Regina, but on the other hand, this young woman truly believes herself to be Lacey. Ok. I’m rambling. Someone else take over.

I think the latter case you presented is what is going on. Lacey really believes she’s this barfly party girl, and so she operates under that mentality. She makes choices that Lacey would make, not the choices that Belle would. She likes to have a good time, she likes bad boys, and she doesn’t seem to care much about what other people think. While there are moments where she says things that Belle would say, (e.g. “I see a man who wouldn’t hurt anyone”), Lacey is a different person who makes different kinds of choices and actually prefers it when Mr. Gold hurts others. And while Keith may have had his lecherous eyes on Belle/Lacey for a while, I doubt he knows she’s cursed. He doesn’t know Belle’s true character either or what kind of person she was in the EF. He just lusts after her looks, and he is a disgusting pig who thinks he can use women. For all he knows, Belle has always been like Lacey is now, and that includes dressing in a sexy way. He might be operating under the assumption that with the curse lifted, everyone is now back to normal.

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