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@HappyEndings wrote:

Belle is really not that important, Rumble is and if Rumble was smart for Belle’s safety he would leave her in storybrooke other wise Hook could do something to her again or someone else could use her against Gold. Gold could always come back after they get Henry back and they both could return to FL together then. After all her father is still in Storybrooke.

On her own accord, I’d say Belle doesn’t have a large part to play in the plot development. Yet, in connection to Rumplestiltskin, I’d say Belle actually will play a huge role in helping him become a better man, but only if she recovers her memories. Along with Baelfire, Belle is actually his strength, rather than his weakness. The whole love-is-strengh motif applies to them. Only time will tell whether Rumple chooses love over power this time. Lots could happen before that actually happens, but if there is a threat to SB, I doubt Belle would remain behind. She’s the type who craves adventure, and there’s no bigger adventure than NL. Also, Belle’s relationship with her father isn’t exactly happy, so I don’t think she’d stay just for him.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

I think you and I actually agree on a lot of this, Slurpeez. I think your initial question or statement was how could someone defend her and I decided to put on an EvilRegal hat and try to do it because obviously fans do it.

I know we agree way more than disagree. I just have little patience for Regina’s lack of character development. I think she’s a very interesting character who is fun to analyze, and Lana is a great actress, but I could never sanction Regina’s evil actions.

But as you said this is a fantastical program thats conceptual world exists outside of “real world” standards. If we can try to rationalize Rumple’s actions in the EF leading up to the curse and everything he’s done since we have to exhibit at least the same considerations for Regina. *on a side note, I’m very confused with myself because it sounds like I’m defending Regina which..I don’t do. I leave that to the EvilRegals*

I know it’s a fantastical show, but I don’t sympathize with either Rumple’s or Regina’s evil acts. Like Baelfire, I love Rumple for the good man he used to be, but I don’t try to justify his acts when harms others as the Dark One.

I fully agree that Regina is pathological and her actions are not of a sane rational person. As far as rights go, she may not have legal rights if the adoption was not on the up and up but she did raise him for 10 years and Henry does consider her to still be his mother in some regards. Regina needs to learn how to be a mother without resorting to being Cora, but I think that’s a long and complicated road. In the meantime , it’s a Catch-22. Regina will stop at nothing to have Henry in her life but if Emma and Neal probably don’t want her around Henry. What’s the solution? Keeping Henry out of her life is only fostering her resentment and anger but giving in to her on the chance that it will mellow her out doesn’t seem like the best solution either. It’s messy and complicated.

I agree that it’s very messy and complicated. I fully understand Regina is a mother-figure to Henry, having raised him for 10 years. So, she could be a part of his life if she gets her act together to be a positive role model (same goes for Rumple). Yet, until then, I think she should only see Henry on supervised visits where she’s on her best behavior. Right now she’s in full-blown Evil Queen mode. She needs to regroup, give up magic, and to start seeing a real shrink (not one who got his PhD from a curse), except that she needs one who understand magic. Maybe Archie should get a real degree. 😉

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

To take Regina’s side, which I never ever do and can’t believe am doing now, she had just lost her mother.

Regina plotted to kill Snow and her family before Cora died, so it wasn’t Regina’s grief over her mother that made her want to murder.

She’s officially all alone in the world and what Regina wants more than anything is love. She’s been denied it for most of her life and when she did it have it, it was taken from her. So she does what she has to to secure it.

I understand Regina is all alone, but that’s no justification for attempting to murder all of Henry’s relatives. That a sign she’s pathologically unstable and potentially mentally ill. Regina’s obsession over a child’s love is somewhat of a displaced replacement for a deceased lover. In a real court of law, Regina would be deemed unfit to parent a child, since what drives Regina are her own needs, not the welfare of her child, whose happiness she would forever ruin by killing his family.

We always defend Rumple with his manipulation of Regina by saying “what wouldn’t a parent do to find their child?” Well, Regina IS his mother, what wouldn’t she do to be with him?

I understand this is a fantasy program, but I hope in real life no sane or loving parent would commit cold-blooded MURDER of a child’s blood family just to keep a child, which is not in a child’s best interest at all. And Regina is still an addict of magic, and most drug addicts don’t get to keep their children.

There is a story in the Old Testament in which King Solomon presided over a custody battle in which two women claimed to be the mother of a baby. The king ordered the baby be cut in two, half for each woman, but the birth mother cried out not to harm the child and was willing to give the other woman custody. Solomon saw that the woman who was willing to give up the child for his own welfare was the true mother, and he granted her custody the child instead.

This is similar to the struggle between Emma and Regina, who both have a claim to Henry. Yet, Emma was willing to let Henry go to NYC to live with his father and to be safe, thereby putting her child’s needs ahead of her own. While Regina was trying to be a better mother by letting Henry live with David, she is reverting to her old paradigm and plotting to murder Henry’s family, thereby putting her own selfish needs ahead of Henry’s needs or happiness. She would irreparably damage Henry if she had her own way.

With that said, I don’t think Henry should be with Regina only, but if she can get back on the no-magic wagon (which I can’t see happening for sometime given that H and K will probably have her be mainly an antagonist because Lana does it so well) she does have certain rights.

What rights? Rumple said her adopting Henry wasn’t exactly legal. Plus, Baefire never signed away his rights as a father. Regina thinks she can have everything she wants simply by killing Henry’s family and by keeping Henry all to herself, but no child can fix Regina’s pathological issues. Only she can by seeking therapy, to rebuild her life, to give up magic for good, and to let Henry have his birth family, whom he loves and for whom he would sacrifice himself. Will she actually be able to let Henry have his happy ending, as any unselfish, even-kiltered parent would want? Only time will tell.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@LaurieAnne wrote:

what kind of “dark” conversation would Regina have with Henry?

The kind where she wants to isolate him from his birth family and kill all his blood relatives so the two of them can be alone together. I doubt she’d say it so forthrightly, but Henry’s no idiot. Although he doesn’t want her dead and wants to see her redeemed, I think he’s aware of Regina’s actions. I fail to see how anyone can defend her right to mother Henry after she has openly tried to murder his parents and grandparents, all because she didn’t want to share custody of Henry.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Thanks for the linkage, Slurpeez!!

Totally excited. I’ve been saying that the core cast would be leaving SB for the majority of S3 for awhile now. I do think we’ll be in NL for awhile. The question then is what happens to the minor characters? Do they go back to the EF to fight the ogres or do they stay in SB?

At first, I was surprised Jennifer Morrison was allowed to reveal so much, but then again, the final two episodes of S2 are dead give-aways that the show is going to NL. Plus, those of us who stalk spoiler pics already knew as much. As for the minor characters, I have a theory the fairies, the dwarves, Ruby, and other SB residents would return to the EF and resettle it. Rumple’s magic sure would come in handy then, but maybe the fairies would actually lift their lazy fingers and use their magic for something practical like defeating the ogres.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@Jbwood5 wrote:

If magic attracts magic would that explain August and Tamara’s meeting?

Possibly. Tamara was searching for magic that the Dragon had but was flatly refused because she didn’t really have an ailment. Pinocchio was clearly afflicted, so Tamara left $10,000 unattended, knowing August would probably steal it, get the potion, and then she’d have the magic he wanted. So in a round about way, magic did bring them together (and then tear them asunder).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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E! news spoiler:

Dina: I am going through Once Upon a Time withdrawals. Got any scoop on what to expect?
A trip to a new land…possibly a permanent one! “They sort of set up that we are maybe heading to another land. They’ve teased that at the end of season two,” Jennifer Morrison teases of season three. “I will be interested to see how we are all impacted by that new land. I think whenever we’re in a place where everyone’s relationships are impacted by their environment and it heightens the stakes for everyone, it becomes very interesting drama.” http://www.eonline.com/news/407170/spoiler-chat-scoop-on-glee-once-upon-a-time-game-of-thrones-arrow-and-more

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@KFChimera wrote:

Could anyone make out the words to the song?

The song is called “Dirty Paws” by Of Monsters And Men.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

Did anyone notice the wings at the very end that flew towards Once then off screen? What could they be? Tinkerbell?

Oh, good catch! It could be Tinker Bell! Also, in the very first part featuring the EF pop-up, there is a winged creature that looks like a yellow butterfly. Maybe it’s actually a fairy who escapes before the curse hit (again possibly Tinker Bell).

Something interesting I noticed about the promo was the style it was made in. It wasn’t just animated like a cartoon, it was done in the style of a puppet show hence the figures’ rigidity and the visible sticks. The dragon at the end was just a dragon head on a stick.

Yeah, I think the promo is done that way to make it appear more childlike.

Rumple’s figure was wearing his Storybrooke clothes whilst Regina’s was wearing an evil queen dress. Why the distinction between the two? Hook was also seen to be chasing Emma and Henry. Could it be that those chasing Emma and Henry represent some sort of danger to the two of them?

I think Rumple and Regina appear as their fairytale selves to make the threat more foreboding. Same goes for Hook. The dragon could be a metaphoric danger and represent Tamara, who might’ve stolen the Dragon’s powers. I like your idea that these are villains and could represent a threat to Emma and Henry.

The title Fight for Storybrooke makes me think the finale battle could be between Tamara, the outside world, and the town’s fairytale residents. The fact that Henry and Emma are fleeing is similar to spoilers we’ve been seeing from the finale when Tamara kidnaps Henry to another world and Emma and the other main characters follow on Hook's ship.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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The line “shape-shifting run-in with fugative Snow” means Regina indeed takes on another form. We know she has the ability to to appear like an elderly woman (as she did in Hat Trick). Traditionally, the tale of Snow White includes the Evil Queen disguising herself as an old hag who presents a poisoned apple. So, I think this could be Regina’s first attempt to fool Snow White, but she fails, since we know Snow and Regina had a parlay in 1×21 when Snow White willingly ate the poisoned apple.

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