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Here’s some context. It’s a teaser image from The Evil Queen episode in EW.

I think it’s after King Leopold’s murder and sometime after Regina’s huntsman took pity on Snow White, who is dressed like her kick-butt bandit self. It seems like Regina decided to hunt Snow herself, but something goes wrong, and so Snow White tries to help her (she would considering what a pure heart she had). I’m not sure why Regina is dressed like a peasant, unless she was in disguise as a old hag but the magic effects wore off.

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@HappyEndings wrote:

Question: Did you see the way Bae held his sword vs David in the Miller’s Daughter, I wonder if that is a clue as to where he has been. I have never seen anyone hold a sword up like that if I remember correctly, and in fact has anyone seen a pirate fight like that ❓

Yes, I agree that the way Neal holds a sword is rather pirate-like. Plus, he knows Hook and knew how to sail his ship. Baelfire was certainly in Neverland, since Neal said in Manhattan he’s a lot older than he looks (paraphrasing). Bae left the EF about 250 years ago, so there is no way he’d even be alive today, much less look like a young man in our world, unless his first port of call was a Land Without Time (i.e. Neverland). I think the question that remains is what was Baelfire doing in Neverland? Was he a pirate or part of Hook’s crew? Was he a Lost Boy? Was he the Pan at one point? Perhaps the answer is a combo of all choices. Even Peter Pan had to learn his awesome swordsmanship skill from somewhere (perhaps from Hook).

I posted a picture of Dylan Schmid on the set of 2×22 and his costume looks like that of a sailor, so he could very easily have been a member of Hook’s crew. https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=3184&start=860#p51485

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@obisgirl wrote:

I finally listened to the last podcast episode and I’ve had this theory for awhile after watching the last episode, even though we didn’t see Greg in Tamara’s flashbacks when she met Neal in New York, I think it’s possible Greg was in the picture long before she met Neal.

I agree that Tamara and Owen/Greg probably go way back, perhaps even to their childhoods or young adulthoods, before Tamara ever met August or Neal.

Here’s my thought. Everyone’s been asking why Tamara is so obsessed with magic. My head cannon is that she was driven to obsession with magic because of Greg. We know why Greg’s back in Storybrooke is to find his father but Tamara probably figured out after meeting Greg, that magic attracts magic.

I think Greg and Tamara both have different reasons for wanting magic, but certainly what drew them together initially was their passion for it. I’m not sure what sparked Tamara’s interest with magic to begin with (since her passion for it probably predates Owen) but meeting Greg probably did fan the flame. Greg has been searching ever since he left SB as the little boy named Owen, and Tamara said she’d been searching for a long time, too. They probably met while they were each individually searching for magic and then became partners in their quest to find it. Owen probably told Tamara he’d been to a magical town as a child, and then Tamara might have used her enchanted taser to track down the Dragon, which led her to August, then Bae and eventually to SB. I’m still not sure what the deal is with her taser, but it certainly is no ordinary weapon. (Maybe she uses it to steal power from magical beings).

When I say magic attracts magic, Emma and Neal are the perfect examples of that. Neither of them knew at the time of Tallahassee that they were both from fairytale land, but they still got together and Emma ended up having Henry.

I think this is a really good point, but I think they’re two different cases. Whereas Greg and Tamara were drawn together by a common interest in magic, I think what drew Emma and Baelfire together probably was actual magic (since the curse was meant to find Baelfire and Emma is the savior).

It took Greg a long time to find Storybrooke because there’s no visible entrance to it from the outside world, but Tamara being hellbent on getting magic (I’m presuming for personal gain until we know otherwise), prayed off Greg’s obsession to find the ultimate magic: Storybrooke.

Yes, I agree with this thought. I think Tamara was already intent of discovering magic, and when she heard Greg’s tale of woe from childhood, she played off of his search to get what she wanted. Tamara might just be playing Owen, whereas I think Owen really fell for Tamara since she’s probably the only one who believes his story about a vanishing town.

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@KFChimera wrote:

Snow White: You saved my life once, and now I’ve saved yours. So we’re even. And if you ever try to hurt anyone in my kingdom again, I will kill you.

So Snow’s threat implies that Snow at least thinks Regina could try to hurt someone else in the Kingdom besides herself or Charming (since he says “you can’t hurt us”), rather than thinking Regina would be powerless to attack anyone else.

Thanks for that transcript. Now that my memory is refreshed, I think the protection spell only applies to Snow and Charming in the EF. Since as you said, Rumple doesn’t give something for nothing. Also, I wonder if Snow White will end up killing Regina, since Regina certainly has tried to hurt Emma but ended up hurting Henry in 1×22. Also, Regina teamed up with Cora and tried to kill Snow’s entire family in 2×16.

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I think Snow White looks to be around the same age as Emma (29) in terms of youth, but not years since SB was frozen for 28 years. In real life, Ginnifer Goodwin is almost 35 and Jennifer Morrison just turned 34. And while both women are georgous, they don’t look like early 20-somethings; they appear to be in their late 20s/early 30s.

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@Surayya wrote:

Just remembered the curse/spell from S1 that Rumple but on Regina, preventing her hurting or killing Snow & Charming “while in FTL“…. the whole reason Rumple was able to get Regina to cast ‘The Curse’ to bring them to our world… If this magic is still in effect there, then it’s possible that protection applies to the whole Snowing family (cant see them allowing Regina to go free, unless Snowing knew their future daughter & grandchildren were also safe from harm).
So they would all be allot safer from Regina there than here, if that’s the case… I’m not sure if Emma knows about this or not yet, but that could play a role for things as they stand.

That’s a really good point; Snow White would certainly be safest in the EF since Regina has it out for her. Would the protection spell work on Snow’s and Charming’s descendants though? I have my doubts, but I’d like to see that come into play.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

The dragon is interesting. At first I just thought: Maleficant, but given that we havne’t seen her at all this season, I’m not sure why Emma and Henry are running from her. Unless this has nothing to do with the season finale, but that doesn’t add up. What if Emma and Henry aren’t running from Rumple, Regina, Hook and the dragon, but rather Everyone is running from the Dragon. We know Tamara tazed his powers, maybe that means the tazer absorbed them? Maybe now she can use those powers herself?

Yeah, those are some of the same thoughts I’ve been having. Tamara is stealing magic for her own use, potentially, and so now she has the powers she stole from the Dragon.

ETA – Youtube version is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E7DL8Zbruk
Based on this promo, I’m starting to wonder if the Charmings indeed return to the EF rather than NL.

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@RumbelleDearie wrote:

I think this might be before they all set sail – if you look at Snow she’s wearing the backpack she had on in those pics of her on the ship. Charming and Emma do seem upset though, wonder what’s going on. Maybe they don’t want Gold to come with them?

Perhaps that’s the case with Charming but ever since Emma learned that Rumple is Henry’s grandfather she’s been more receptive to him. She won’t deprive her son of his grandfather, even she doesn’t really like him. Henry would never forgive her for leaving Rumple and Belle behind and she’s not about to lose his trust again. I agree that they look upset but that could just be because Henry has been kidnapped.

I agree that this scene on the dock probably happens just after Henry is kidnapped. Probably, Emma, her parents, and Regina are all seeking out Mr. Gold, either for his help or to place blame with him. I think they’ll decide he’s innocent and then take him and Belle with them to Neverland. Regina will put up with Mr. Gold because he’s much more powerful and she has no other choice. Also, I think Charming is more receptive of Rumple; they have a delicate understanding of one another. Rumple helped Charming find his true love, and Charming has helped coach Rumple on the art of wooing (I think we’re going to see more of this in Lacey). Also, ever since they discovered they’re family, Charming helped guard Rumple in the pawn shop and then called upon Rumple to help guard Snow White from Regina’s wrath. So, I think they have a mutual understanding. And I agree that Emma would not leave behind Rumple and Belle. Emma wouldn’t leave behind family, and she’s the savior; she’s gotta save everyone. Snow will support whatever Emma decides.

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Sorry, I haven’t had the chance to read through the pages here, but I have a question to pose. Assuming that Emma and the rest of the Charmings were to return to the EF, what would prevent Regina from returning there, too? She could gain access to the crop of magical beans being harvested in SB and follow after Henry to any world he’s in. She’s a powerful witch, and I doubt she’d have any trouble defeating Charming and the dwarves to get a bean. The only people who could possibly take on Regina are the BF (whose magic already has proven ineffective against Regina in SB), Emma (whose magic isn’t fully developed or tested yet) and Rumple (who wants Henry and Regina out of his way). I fail to see how returning to the EF would protect Henry from Regina.

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@HappyEndings wrote:

But slurpezz you could be right I must be one of the few that think Gold helped get rid of Henry 😐

You’re not alone. Even though Tamara and Owen kidnap Henry, it’s possible Mr. Gold stands idly by while it happens, and so is guilty by omission. At the same time, Mr. Gold might be blameless. Maybe everyone on the dock jumps to conclusions, and Belle has to play mediator and prove to them that Mr. Gold is not at any fault.

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