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Yes, at least my dislike for Tamara isn’t just based on loving SwanFire; it has some strong foundations! (Love Adam and Eddy) 🙂

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Tamara knows August/Pinocchio, which is why she said, “Long time.” Also, I knew Tamara was up to no good! She has to be Greg’s HER! And why is she trying to steal magic? Maybe she’s a witch! 👿

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@AngieBelle wrote:

I got the impression that Rumple had a break in or something and that is when he noticed that the ingredients were missing. I do think this is Regina’s intended curse to use and not Rumple’s.

It looked like Mr. Gold and David were in Regina’s heart vault when they found Mr. Gold’s bag. So either Regina broke into his pawn and took his bag of magic potions back to her vault, or Mr. Gold gave her the bag and then asked David to help him find it so to make it appear like Regina had stolen it.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I meant to write Neverland.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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What if just Neal and Emma went to SB? That’d be interesting for SwanFire fans, but not so great for Henry.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

th Belle [Emilie de Ravin] to think about, so he’s distracted while all this is going on,” Carlyle says. “What he thinks about that isn’t really clear until Episode 22, at the very end, where you realize what he’s actually up to. It’s another game-changer of an episode. Everything turns around in that moment

Bless loose lipped Bobby. But it’s this quote that gets me. It’s not until 22 that we will realize what Rumple has been doing which to me means all these times until 22 where it looks like Rumple has gone very Dark Side (“wars have costs” for instance) is really him doing something else. Like he’s got this plan that won’t become clear until 22 but until that moment, we will all think he’s being Dark and scary.

Unless Mr. Gold is plotting to somehow be rid of his curse, I’m still afraid that his plan is rather ominous, like when he said, “Wars have costs,” while looking directly at Henry. Yet, I agree, things could look up for Mr. Gold by the season’s end. “Everything turns around in that moment,” could be bad as in time turns around and Baelfire turns back into a kid again. Or it could be a positive outcome as in everything was headed on a collision course, but suddenly, Mr. Gold saves the day in a selfless act. Either way, it is going to forever change the father-son dynamic. I just fear Mr. Gold’s plan could result in irreparable damage between them.

Could Robert Carlyle have let it slip that every literally turns around in that moment? As in Rumple reverses time and turns back the clock in SB, like a ‘reset’ button.

But if he turns the clock back for all of SB, won’t that mean that everyone goes back 14 years? So we’re talking pre-curse, which means no Belle and for that matter no Emma so no Rumple, he’ll be Mr. Gold again. I don’t think Rumple wants that at all.

I didn’t mean Mr. Gold would turn back the clock 14 years. I meant he would try to turn Baelfire back into a 14-year-old kid, as he offered to do in Manhattan. I think the BF turns August back into a 7-year-old kid again in episode 2×18 without affecting the existence of Emma. Also, I think Mr. Gold must still really want to have his teenage son again, where Baelfire doesn’t remember anything about his dad letting him go and growing up alone. Yet, if Bae were a kid again, that might just affect the existence of Henry, since it’d be as if Emma never met Neal 10 years ago. Mr. Gold might be able to accomplish this without losing Belle, though losing her might just be the price he’d pay if the spell were cast successfully.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Loose-lipped Bobby has let more slip about the “game-changer” in a TV Guide interview:

Rumple’s own issues: Although Rumple will have to watch out for Regina, he’ll have problems closer to his heart to deal with. “He’s got his son and his relationship with Belle [Emilie de Ravin] to think about, so he’s distracted while all this is going on,” Carlyle says. “What he thinks about that isn’t really clear until Episode 22, at the very end, where you realize what he’s actually up to. It’s another game-changer of an episode. Everything turns around in that moment.” Carlyle also notes that the end of that same episode “is massive in terms of the relationship with Rumple and his son, and it can never ever be the same again.”

Could Robert Carlyle have let it slip that literally everything turns around in that moment? As in Rumple reverses time and turns back the clock in SB, like a ‘reset’ button. In Rumple’s mind he could have his 14-year-old son back and maybe, by consequence, Henry would cease to exist because he never would have been born. Yet, if that were to happen, I think Neal would look out for his family by escaping with them to Neverland just as time were turning backwards in SB.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

But maybe I’m trying to rationalize my favorite character. The “wars have costs” line is just so disturbing. He’s hoping Henry’s out of the picture but not by his own hand because that way he is blameless. Neal needs to step in and smack some sense in Rumple. And for the love of heaven, someone tell Rumple that Belle wouldn’t want him acting this way!

As a Rumple fan, I also find it hard not to overlook his flaws, because as he said himself, he’s full of love for Belle and Bae. You just want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Yet, with the return of his powers, Mr. Gold seems to have grown even darker overnight. Facing death didn’t seem to have caused lasting true reform; it’s resulted in Mr. Gold becoming an even more calculating and self-preserving. I haven’t given up all hope for his redemption, but it’s looking less likely at the moment.

I think Mr. Gold’s intention is to be rid of Henry in a way where he comes off looking blameless, just as he was able to do with Cora and then told Regina he did nothing to bring about her death. These two situations seem to be very similar. Mr. Gold knows he can’t just kill Henry outright, because that would result in losing Baelfire forever. Yet, being the coward he is, Mr. Gold can’t leave Henry alone either because facing death has made him even more paranoid. Mr. Gold thinks he nearly died because Henry suggested going back to Bae’s apartment for his camera. It’s twisted to think Henry had anything to do with it, but because of the prophesy, Mr. Gold will never be at ease and could misinterpret the events that happen to blame Henry for it all. So, Mr. Gold needs a clean solution to be rid of Henry without being blamed for doing it. If he were to push Regina towards an epic battle with the Charmings for custody of Henry, it could result in Henry’s death, and Mr. Gold would be left with Baelfire (or so he believes).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

Also, that clip of Rumple and the Charmings makes me wonder if he didn’t intentionally allow Regina to make Henry think he loves her. In Rumple’s mind, it might be for the best of Regina regained custody of his grandson and so removed him as a potential threat to him.

That wouldn’t really eliminate Henry as a threat though? The only way Rumple knows of to eliminate the “Regina problem” is to eliminate her. So shouldn’t it stand to reason that the only way to eliminate the “Henry problem” is to eliminate him? Regina having custody of him wouldn’t eliminate the threat the kid poses. As long as Henry is still breathing, he can still bring about Rumple’s undoing.

I think Mr. Gold is always honest with people, but he manipulates the situation. You’re right in saying Regina regaining her son wouldn’t totally eliminate Henry as a threat to him. Yet, if Henry were to get caught in the crossfire between and the Charmings and Regina, it might just result in a devastating outcome for Henry and seemingly solve Mr. Gold’s worries in his mind. Mr. Gold looked directly at Henry as he said, “Wars have costs.” Very unnerving and disturbing. Don’t let Grandpastiltskin babysit Henry is all I have to say.

There was a TV Guide spoiler article that addressed this very issue of dark undertones in Mr. Gold’s conversations which could reveal his less than honorable intentions.

Henry’s in danger: After a seer told Rumplestiltskin that the young boy who would lead him to his son would ultimately be his downfall, Rumple set his sights on Henry, suspecting that he’s the boy from the prophecy. Unfortunately, no one will actually find out about Henry’s fate anytime soon. “There’s this really serious creepy undertone to what would normally be normal conversations,” Morrison says. “But the audience will know Rumple is contemplating what to do about Henry, whereas everyone in the room thinks Henry is safe, so it heightens that sense of danger for Henry because there’s no one looking out for him yet because no one knows he’s in danger.”
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Spoilers-1062819.aspx

As for the harshness of this scene, I’m gonna wait to see it in context before judging, though on first watch, it did make me cringe. Rumple manipulates, and he may be playing some sort of game here to steer them into a particular action. I think he was so brutally honest because Henry straight up said he wanted people to be honest with him. Careful what you wish for, kid. 😕

I hope you’re right in holding out hope for Mr. Gold’s intentions, but I found that scene foreboding.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I want to believe Mr. Gold has changed for the better. I really do, but I fear the worst. Plus, this spoiler is making me nervous for Henry:

Henry’s in danger: After a seer told Rumplestiltskin that the young boy who would lead him to his son would ultimately be his downfall, Rumple set his sights on Henry, suspecting that he’s the boy from the prophecy. Unfortunately, no one will actually find out about Henry’s fate anytime soon. “There’s this really serious creepy undertone to what would normally be normal conversations,” Morrison says. “But the audience will know Rumple is contemplating what to do about Henry, whereas everyone in the room thinks Henry is safe, so it heightens that sense of danger for Henry because there’s no one looking out for him yet because no one knows he’s in danger.”
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Spoilers-1062819.aspx

Also, in sneak peek 5, Mr. Gold looked directly at Henry as he said, “Wars have costs.” Very unnerving and disturbing. Don’t let Grandpastiltskin babysit Henry is all I have to say.

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