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KalliopeKisees wrote: I also remember Cora advising (in a rather bitter tone) it was best not to have to rely on anyone in life. I think the bitterness exemplifies that her dealings with Rumple may not have turned out to her liking.
I agree that the little speech Cora made about power meaning never having to rely on someone else to get what one wants may have been directed at Rumple. It may also have been aimed at the king from the original Rumple fairytale who demanded straw be turned into gold. Cora sounded like an embittered divorcée who resented having fallen in love. She talked about love seeming real but never lasting. It makes me think that Cora was married before and then either divorced or stuck in a loveless marriage.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I don’t really know if August Wayne Booth is Pinocchio, Bae, or someone else entirely. However, I think there are road signs that could be read in multiple ways. I’ve already suggested that the reference to shin splints makes a lot of sense for either character. (Bae could’ve had an old leg injury, or Pinocchio could have had a wooden leg). The fact that the writers’ purposefully created a character who made a speech about driving everyone crazy guessing his identity and agenda is good writing. I maintain that his name Wayne Booth is a reference to the literary critic who coined the phrase “unreliable narrator.” It makes me think that this character is a symbol of the creators of the show, who may also try to throw us for a loop. They make us sympathize will villains like Regina and Rumple. They cause the heroes like Snow White to have a some darkness in her and David to look like a cheating, lying dork. These are not typical fairy tales where the lines of good and evil are clearly black in white. The writers can do anything they like and still make us ask for more.
Has anyone else considered that Rumple could have transformed Pinocchio back into a puppet after he’d been turned into a real boy by the Blue Fairy? We’ve already seen how Rumple gave the potion to Jimminy in order to change his parents into puppets. However, Geppetto’s parents we turned by mistake. If puppet Pinocchio were made of enchanted wood, that could explain how Pinocchio could have been transported to the real world without having to go through the wardrobe. That could also explain why Pinocchio would want revenge against Mr. Gold in SB, as hinted at by the promo and summary description for episode 19. Also, regarding the hair color discontinuity, it’d be simple enough for August to color his hair brown to conceal his identity (after all, red hair is a dead give-away).
Based on the title of episode 19, it could be that the character is Bae who’ll return to SB next week. I think it’s harder to explain how Bae could still be alive centuries after we last saw him than it is to explain how Pinocchio could have made it to our world. Maybe Bae was a lost boy coming back from Neverland, but then, we don’t know for sure about copyright issues surrounding Peter Pan. Nevertheless, that fact that his hair color is similar is interesting to note, as well as the idea that he knows about FTL because he himself comes from there. The photos from episode 19 of August having a drawing of the dagger indicate he knows about it. That also lends credence to the idea that this is Rumple's son who has come back to try and help his dad, Mr. Gold.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I did feel sorry for Regina. Having such a dreadful witch of a mother clearly caused her to snap mentally. That doesn’t mean I can exacuse any of her horrible actions though. Her anger towards a naieve child like Snow White was clearly misdirected. I agree with the assessment that Regina took out her anger on the easier target because Regina couldn’t take on her mother or her magic at that stage. I think we’ll see that in another episode: how to do magic.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
There is no way that David will sleep with Regina. I know he is less than ideal in SB but he at least has better taste than that I hope. If anying, I think her advances will majorly backfire and send him running in the opposite direction!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
yeah that is Graham from ep. 8.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
yeah that is Graham from ep. 8.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I doubt that the Queen of Hearts is Regina’s older sister. In the original story of Rumplestiltskin, the miller’s daughter was able to keep her first-born, because she sent her servant to spy and discover the imp’s true name. So, Rumple was in fact never able to collect on his deal, so to speak. He never received the “payment” he thought he was owed. It makes me think that he has been after Regina ever since, because Regina was the first-born that got away.
Also, I doubt that Bae is Cora’s child, just because Bae lived centuries before Cora was born. Even if Rumple granted Cora an extra long life, it wouldn’t explain a key point. Rumplestiltskin made the deal with the miller’s daughter after he became the dark one. Bae was born before when Rumple was still just a regular man. Also, I don’t think Cora and Rumple were ever married. In the story of the miller’s daughter, she marries the king, not the imp.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I agree. By the time Regina had hired the huntsman, Snow White clearly knew the reason for Regina’s hatred. In episode 8, she wrote a letter to Regina apologizing for keeping her from knowing true love. She must have found out about Daniel’s tragic end by then.
Dearest Step-Mother,
By the time you read this, I will be dead. I understand that you will never have love in you life because of me. So, it’s only fitting that I’ll be denied that same joy as well. For the sake of the kingdom, I hope my death satisfies your need for revenge, allowing you to rule my father’s subjects as they deserve, with compassion and a gentle hand. I know what you think you’re doing is vengeance, but I prefer to think of it as sacrifice, for the good of all. With that in mind, I welcome the end. I want you to take my last message to heart. I’m sorry, and I forgive you.By the time she was older, SW clearly the real reason for Regina’s suffering was the secret she couldn’t keep at the age of 12. She’d pretty much realized that she was at fault for keeping Regina from true love. I think the reference in the pilot to Regina being jealous of her beauty was a quip. She really knew deep down that Regina had suffered because the king never loved Regina as she needed to be loved. King Leopold never considered Regina as fair as his first wife or his daughter. He never loved her the way that the stable boy, Daniel, had loved Regina.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The scene in episode 18 when August had “shin splints” made me think there are two possible reasons: a) he had an old leg injury or b) he had a wooden leg. The first reason might be reconciled to the theory that August is Bae, since presumably, Bae could have been injured serving in the Ogre War. Yet, that doesn’t explain how Bae could be alive centuries later in SB. The second reason could be that August is actually Pinocchio and has some leftover wooden parts from his days as a puppet. Also, the idea that August says he never lies also resembles how Pinocchio said he never lied, but then did, as indicated by his growing nose. It was only when Pinocchio stopped telling lies that he became a “real boy” (which was hinted at in episode 16 when August said the stories were as real as him).
Also, as far as August is concerned, he is unaffected by the SB boundary. Assuming he is telling the truth, August has already traveled all over the world on his motorcycle. He is from outside of SB, and was unable to enter it until Emma came back to town. Perhaps, like Emma, he escaped from FTL to our world before the dark curse was unleashed. That way, he could be a fairy-tale character without being under the power of the curse.
Finally,
the wiz wrote: So August had a moment of being “in and of” SB, falling under the curse — which he did not want to admit to himself or to Emma. Emma has the worst problem with falling under the curse – forgetting FTL entirely, doubting Henry’s book and spacing out her magical abilities.
Although the dark curse still exists in SB, the curse does not impact those who escaped from FTL into our world or were born in our world. Therefore, the curse does not affect Emma. According to Henry, she can enter SB and leave anytime she wants. She just doesn’t remember FTL or believe in it because she was a baby and was raised in our world where there is no magic. She doesn’t know she has magic until episode 17 because she never knew her true identity growing up. She didn’t know Sidney was lying because she let her emotions cloud her judgement.
Also, Henry, who was born in Phoenix, AZ, is not under the power of the curse. Although he lives in SB, he was aging in a town where time stood still (until Emma started the clock again). Henry believes in magic, because of the book and because he is a child who was raised amongst fairy-tale characters (though most of them are cursed and don’t remember).
Finally, August is able to come and go from SB. He is not under the curse, nor can he fall under the curse, because he most likely escaped the curse like Emma did before it reached his realm. He probably still remembers FTL though because he was old enough to remember it when he escaped into our world. He’s kept his knowledge of FTL and of the curse (without being affected by it) while living in our world.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The scene in episode 18 when August had “shin splints” made me think there are two possible reasons: a) he had an old leg injury or b) he had a wooden leg. The first reason might be reconciled to the theory that August is Bae, since presumably, Bae could have been injured serving in the Ogre War. Yet, that doesn’t explain how Bae could be alive centuries later in SB. The second reason could be that August is actually Pinocchio and has some leftover wooden parts from his days as a puppet. Also, the idea that August says he never lies also resembles how Pinocchio said he never lied, but then did, as indicated by his growing nose. It was only when Pinocchio stopped telling lies that he became a “real boy” (which was hinted at in episode 16 when August said the stories were as real as him).
The idea that August could be both Bae and Pinocchio is interesting, but also full of difficulties. How do we explain the discontinuity between the ages and the hair colors? Bae had brown hair and was 13 last we saw him. Pinocchio was a boy of 7 and had red hair. Those are hard to reconcile in my mind.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
