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ParticipantPictures from Red-Handed have come out on this website: http://www.chevronone.com/tv/once-upon-a-time-episode-1-15-red-handed-promotional-pictures/
click if you want to see pics from episode 15:
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantWerewolves are a possibility, though so are talking wolves that don’t shape-shift in FTL.
I agree mia, that the werewolf being a love interest wouldn’t be the most original. Sadly, it seems like Ruby, being boy-crazy, might be silly enough to fall for someone like Dr. Whale in SB (Snow White had a one-night stand with him after all).If that's the case, and Dr. Whale really is the Big Bad Wold, then it seems like Red Riding Hood and the wolf have some sort of dangerous liaison in FTL.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Participant@ hjbau, I think you’re on to something with your theory.
I don’t think that the episode is going to be about the story of Alice in Wonderland as we know it, but about how the hatter became mad so i just thought maybe he became mad because he visited our world. I could see that.
I don’t think Wonderland is an alternate reality to FTL or SB. Nevertheless, I do think the Mad-Hatter went crazy, because he had the power to travel between the two worlds. To FTL characters, Storybrooke is an alternate reality and vice-verse. The Mad-Hatter (a.k.a. “Jefferson” in SB) will appear crazy in SB because he believes in fairy-tales as truth. In FTL, he may appear crazy because he somehow had the ability to visit SB before the curse was even unleashed.
I think that hjbau is absolutely right.
And i have this whole theory that the episodes that are about secondary non main characters are really about Emma….And if they do that with the Hatter episode then it could be about how he visited the real world and then everyone in the fairytale land thought he was mad and i think that could help Emma think about the insanity of believing Henry and they could further that plot. Especially if they intend to have Emma believe by the end of the season.
The reason I think so is based on this episode summary:
Jefferson/Mad-Hatter will play a role in trying to convince Emma that the fairy-tales she's heard of are in fact true. The synoposis for episode 17: “Jefferson, a young rakishly handsome, former criminal who in Fairy Tale Land has given up his life of crime and dedicated himself to his daughter, while in Storybrooke he is a dangerous and mysterious figure who has knowledge of the Evil Queen’s curse and attempts to persuade Emma that it is real.”
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantSome awesome links for those of you interested in the original fairy-tale stories and fables:
http://www.fairytalescollection.com/
The free e-book of the Grimm Brothers’ Fairy Tales:
http://www.authorama.com/grimms-fairy-tales-64.html"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantThere is some evidence Wonderland has close ties with SB that has yet to be brought up here. From episode 12, Skin Deep, we find out that the name of the bar where girls’ night takes place is The Rabbit Hole (i.e. the white rabbit from Alice in Wonderland). This makes me think that Wonderland existed in FTL and then became part of SB, the way the other kingdoms of the Enchanted Forest ended up in SB.
In the red circle, there is a rabbit emblem in the background. Also, you may notice the decor of the bar’s table cloths is based on the Queen of Hearts and her guards from the Disney version of the story.
Based on a post from OUAT Fan Podcast blog: http://ouat.roneyzone.com/ouat-we-know-the-name-of-the-bar-that-sean-proposed-to-ashley/
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantIt would certainly be a twist on the original Alice in Wonderland story if Wonderland turns out to be another dimension, which characters can enter and exit. I’m still not sure if the writers would do this, since it would be very confusing for a general audience to follow. I’m more inclined to think that Wonderland is part of both FTL and SB, but in a way that we wouldn’t quite expect.
I posted on another thread a description for episode 17:
Jefferson, a young rakishly handsome, former criminal who in Fairy Tale Land has given up his life of crime and dedicated himself to his daughter, while in Storybrooke he is a dangerous and mysterious figure who has knowledge of the Evil Queen’s curse and attempts to persuade Emma that it is real.
Also. based on an interview with OUAT’s creators: “'We find out how the Mad Hatter became mad,' Kitsis teases…So how will this Wonderland be different from what we already know? 'The first [difference] you'll notice is in who the Mad Hatter was and his backstory. Then what Wonderland is and [its] changes is something we hope to explore also,' Kitsis says. 'We're hoping this tells you the story of the Mad Hatter, but will also leave you questions about Wonderland.'”
http://uk.eonline.com/news/watch_with_kristin/once_upon_time_bosses_dish_on_mad_guest/296279#ixzz1nawrfCLrBased on these two sources, I think that Jefferson from Stroybrooke is the Mad Hatter in FTL. Jefferson is considered “mad” in Storybrooke because he believes the fairy-tales in Henry's book are true and will tell Emma he thinks they're real.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantI have to say, like NONNIE said, it kind of looks like a bee hive … Anyway, whatever it is, it’s on a table …
I agree that the yellow object beneath the apple tree resembles a bee hive. The significance could be connected the to the Grimms’ fairy-tale called The Queen Bee. The story’s synoposis from Wikipedia reads:
Two king’s sons went out to seek their fortune, but fell into disorderly ways. The youngest, Simpleton, went out to find them, but they mocked him. They traveled on, and Simpleton prevented his brothers from destroying an ant hill, killing some ducks, and suffocating a bee hive with smoke. Then they came to a castle with stone horses in the stable, and no sign of anyone. They hunted through the castle and found a room with a little gray man, who showed them to dinner. In the morning, he showed the oldest son a stone table, on which were written three tasks. Whoever performed them would free the castle.
The first was to collect the princess’s thousand pearls, scattered in the woods. Whoever tried and failed would be turned to stone. The older brothers tried and failed. For the youngest, however, the ants collected the pearls. The second was to fetch the key to the princess’s bedchamber from the lake, which the ducks did for him. The third was to pick out the youngest princess from the three sleeping princesses; they looked exactly alike, and the only difference was that the oldest had eaten a bit of sugar before they slept, the second a little syrup, and the youngest some honey. The queen bee picked out the youngest.
This woke the castle, and restored all those who had been turned to stone. The youngest son married the youngest princess, and his two brothers, the other princesses.
For the complete story, click here: (http://www.authorama.com/grimms-fairy-tales-38.html)
There is also Aesop’s Fable The Flies and the Honey Pot to consider:
A NUMBER of Flies were attracted to a jar of honey which had been overturned in a housekeeper’s room, and placing their feet in it, ate greedily. Their feet, however, became so smeared with the honey that they could not use their wings, nor release themselves, and were suffocated. Just as they were expiring, they exclaimed, “O foolish creatures that we are, for the sake of a little pleasure we have destroyed ourselves.” Pleasure bought with pains, hurts. http://www.fairytalescollection.com/Aesop_Fables/The_Flies_And_The_Honey_Pot.htm
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantActually, the unicorn does represent Christ in medieval traditions. I think the comparison of Emma as the “savior” of FTL to Christ as the “Savior of the World” is not a mere coincidence:
The Medieval Unicorn
“The horn of the unicorn is said to have the ability to repel poison. Thus, the creature was hunted. It is a fierce creature which could best be captured with a virgin. Philippe de Thaun, a twelfth century Anglo-Norman poet, describes the method of capturing the unicorn. One should place a virgin in the forest with her breast uncovered. The scent will be perceived by the unicorn who will come and kiss the breast and then fall asleep in her lap. The hunter may then kill or capture the beast in its sleep. Honorius of Autum (1100’s) uses the hunt of the unicorn as an analogy in one of his sermons. The unicorn gives up its fierceness to a virgin just as Christ gives up his divinity through a virgin in order to become human. In human form, He can be found by those who love him (hunters). Other Christian writers point to Biblical references of the unicorn as symbols of Christ. St. Ambrose quotes Deuteronomy “his horns are like the horns of unicorns. . .” and says “Christ is meant be this (animal) and the horn denotes Christ’s cross” (Migne. col. 346). St. Basil (330 – 379) says that the horn represents the glory and power and salvation of Christ.…
In its simpler versions this interpretation likens the unicorn directly to Christ: its one horn is said to signify the unity of Christ and the Father; its fierceness and defiance of the hunter are to remind us that neither Principalities nor Powers nor Thrones were able to control the Messiah against His will; its small Stature is a symbol of Christ’s humility and its likeness to a kid of His association with sinful men. The virgin is held to represent the Virgin Mary and the huntsman is the Holy Spirit acting through the Angel Gabriel. Taken as a whole, then, the story of the unicorn’s capture typifies the Incarnation of Christ. http://www.wickedwinks.com/uni/ul.html
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantThe name of the lake is Lake Gnostos with a “g” from the Greek meaning “knowledge,” which makes sense, given that what was once lost is returned. This could mean that the lake returns knowledge to those who drink from it. My theory is that this water will play a role for SB characters remembering FTL.
Also found in my digging around that Nostos (in OUAT ep13 the siren was in Lake Nostos) is a Greek word meaning “homecoming” and is a theme used in Homer’s Odyssey, so I feel sure this perhaps goes with the something lost being found idea (a homecoming of sorts). A siren is also present in Homer’s Odyssey.
I don’t discredit that the word might be “nosotos,” but I have doubts, since after looking on other websites, the word in general use is “gnostos”.
Moreover, I think that Prince James (aka Prince Charming) will use the water from Lake Gnostos to restore Snow White’s memories of their love in FTL.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantA very helpful link for OUAT wiki: http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_Wiki
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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