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It’s very hard, often, to relate to Snow (who is supposed to be the vision of goodness and purity) because our reality is probably wholly different. She was loved and adored (up until Regina sent her off into the woods and tired to kill her, but her childhood at least) and grew up in a castle knowing that she was deeply loved by both her biological parents AND everyone around her. As someone who equates staying with love and then has had people leave, I can’t understand Snow’s world view.
I’ll second that. Snow isn’t my favorite either, what’s that Rizzo says in Grease? “That goody-two-shoes makes me wanna barf.” And that whole business about “you took my father haven’t we both suffered enough?” Yeah, once you grow up the daughter of an abusive power-hungry mother (whom you love in spite of it all), a loving but meek father, Machiavelli for a granddad, Rumple having manipulated you before you’re even born, putting your trust in an innocent young person only to have it be betrayed, to say nothing of losing your true love right before your eyes, being forced into a loveless, lonely marriage and fed a steady diet of dark magic and negative emotions from a self-interested manipulative mentor, oh and banishing your own mother to another realm. And in the process lose your love, hope, innocence, purity, courage and self-control. Then just maybe you’ll have suffered enough.
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I’m more into the Brooks Brothers, granny specs and chrome-tipped cane look myself.
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Or it could just be because the villains get the cooler costumes.
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Why do villains get the love? Gee that’s a toughie. Maybe because society has conditioned us to love the heroes already? Nah that can’t be it.
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A bit of wisdom from Joe that we can apply to all the characters of OUAT: http://youtu.be/ExiRGrIKlwM
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“We have not even to risk the adventure alone; for the heroes of all time have gone before us, the labyrinth is fully known; we have only to follow the thread of the hero-path. And where we had thought to find an abomination, we shall find a god; where we had thought to slay another, we shall slay ourselves; where we had thought to travel outward, we shall come to the center of our own existence; where we had thought to be alone, we shall be with all the world.” -Joseph Campbell:
Mask, metaphor and adulthood:
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It seemed to me that storyteller was was pointing out a dramatic parallel in which Neal’s actions make us recall Rumple’s actions, not necessarily a moral parallel which says Neal’s actions are morally equivalent to his father’s actions (correct me if I’m wrong, storyteller).
You hit the nail on the head. Symbolically he is his father’s son and I believe the realization of that will be his release from the samsara he finds himself in. Thanks and follow your bliss.
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I would just remind you that in Storybrooke, Neal told his father to his face that the only reason he stayed was for Henry. My personal opinion is that was a half truth, he was staying for his Papa as well but the fear and anger he feels has outweighed his love. The criticism is not of Neal or Rumple but an examination of the sins of the father passed down from generation to generation, The overall point that must be made is that Neal’s journey is to break the family curse of cowardice and abandonment just as much as his father.
With that said I thank everyone for a spirited debate, and hope that we can all take something away that challenges our conventions and opens our minds.
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Again all I can do is refer you back to the fact that Neal is just as much a lost little boy as his father. Symbol and myth govern my particular interpretation of the story. I’ve seen nothing inconsistent with the Campbellian model, atonement (which literally means “at one ment” being at the same place spiritually, mentally etc. as another ex. Christians in compassion with Christ come to atonement with him on the cross and recognize his suffering in theirs) with the father does not solely mean “I’m a an angry teenager and Dad won’t give me the car keys.” (if you have not read Campbell, heard his lectures or seen his interviews then it’s very difficult to restate what he does so well) Neal is angry at his father for abandoning him while at the same time he loves his Papa and in his heart of hearts is wishing and hoping for to have him. This bifurcation leads Neal to fall into the same trap as his father namely abandoning the one you love and then taking the cowards way out which in Neal’s case meant running away which is what he’s done his whole life, rather than go after Emma and openly confront his father. Now he’s on the road back and that as we’ve seen in season two with Rumple and Regina is a perilous road.
Now why can’t Neal just think of love for his Papa if love is the most powerful magic and can overcome anything as Daniel told Regina. If Neal’s belief in love was strong enough he would’ve have believed his father when his father could present no evidence to the contrary and they would’ve have succeeded in rescuing Henry and the next stage of the journey would involve Neal protecting Henry from his father while at the same time learning the meaning of the “undoing” which I doubt involves Henry killing Rumple. I am not letting Rumple off the hook he has his own nasty habits to break but without Belle’s physical presence, the prophecy nagging at him and the fact that Neverland forces one to face the past he will be in a very dark place now.
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