[surayya]

Yes I very much agree Mysterykat!

I have said much the same things re Belle in the ‘who you hate & why’ thread. Belle is my fav disney princess, yet Once’s version of her I don’t love & while I don’t hate her, the exact statement you referenced really ticked me off & put me off her more, because it was so at odds with her supposed character super power of seeing the good in everyone.

I feel some of the Hook hate comes from the fact that of the few actual ‘bad’ things we’ve seen him pull- they have usually been far more relatable than any of the other big bads actions. ie.
Hook hits Belle = Hook physically touches Belle, causing her to lose consciousness & = an unforgivable act as it is so easily relateable as being wrong.
Rumple ‘force smacks’ Red = Rumple uses magical forces (instead of physical) to throw Red through the air & slam into the ground (or was it a tree! 😕 ) & causes her to loose consciousness = forgivable act as it is not relatable due to no ‘physical violence’, as no ‘person to person contact’ was made.

I’m also of the opinion after re-watching Hook back hand Belle, that he knocked her out cold not because he ‘got his socks off hitting her’, but because he ditested having to kill her in the 1st place (because she was insisting on defending & loving Rumple) & was doing her a kindness (in a weird sort of fashion), by her not being awake & able to feel being stabbed through the heart or where ever. I also don’t think he could have killed her in cold blood (angry or not) if she had been awake to witness it- she wasn’t armed & Hook has made no bones over being up front about that 😉

It’s no different than the so called fight 😉 Hook didnt just throw the fight for Emma- he threw it so SHE COULD GET BACK TO HER SON & that is a big distinction- it also makes the cell scene take on a new light (I also noticed he whispered- as in didn’t want Cora over hearing- his response to Emma too).
Once Cora had told him about the lake’s powers, he made up his mind then before he threw the fight so Emma could still return to her son- he already knew he had the bean (which he knew he could rejuvenate) & his ship so that he could get to where he wanted to be 😉

It’s weird cause Once’s Rumple rather than loving or hating him, bores me- it’s usually the same thing, different format with him & Belle 😉 But Rumple was probably my fav fairy tale story when I was a child- don’t ask me why though lol. I never loved sleeping beauty, Cinderella, SW or any of those tales- but Rumpelstiltskin took my 4yr old fancy…. that story & Puss in Boots lol

I actually think Killian is a more profound person than we’ve seen to date- he has said some profound things even before thinking his revenge complete- I think those glimpses of depth is what draws me in with him too. He’s not afraid to change tact when he realizes there’s no coming back or his wants/needs have changed- at least that’s the feeling I get- ie. if he feels he will never have love again, yet he wants it & the only way to get it is to give up on revenge- I feel he will do so, it wont be easy, he’ll struggle at times, but he will “FIGHT” for what he wants, instead of hiding in the sand hoping it’ll just happen anyway.

Oh, oh – I just thought of another thing that could work well for CS- Henry is meant to be Rumple/dark ones undoing (I take that to mean, he breaks the darkone curse & he becomes just Rumple after that), Henry would sort of be like Killian’s hero & Killian, Henry’s protector 😉 – the darkone (the one who killed Milah would be dead), Rumple would be alive & if Killian is with Emma it’s a very nice & tidy live & let live, more meaningful ending there too.

[surayya]

Yeah- I didn’t say they should say ‘no, not gonna happen outright’- but ‘we have no plans for that at this stage’ , ‘probably not now- it could happen later’ or ‘unlikely, but you never know what the future holds’ kind of thing- rather than ‘of course it can’ or ‘anything is possible, watch the show & see’ (I don’t think getting people to tune in is the ‘only’ reason they say what they say- but fact is, if fans stop watching, they couldn’t make the show anymore)
I don’t personally think they’ve done anything ‘yet’ to justify anyone tuning out- so I get super annoyed at those people who get their nickers in a royal twist over what ever, blast Adam for it & say they wont watch anymore if they don’t do XYZ). A lot of those responses are created by their responses though- I almost think they’d be better off telling everyone, shipping questions will now only be responded to with ‘no comment’ because the fandom is becoming too nasty for anything else- the show is about being positive & having hope, not bashing other fans for liking a ship you dont.

I do agree CS’ers seem to be a little more tolerant/ open minded of other ships in general. I have no problems with Emma & Hook being with other people as endgame as long as it’s believable either 😉

Yes I love your version of CS moment- even just a long searching look & then sitting right next to her in silence, sharing in her loss would work for me- Killian knows all about the pain of lost love & hey, they now have yet another parallel LOL!

I have always said, if CS isn’t endgame, they at least need to be BFF’s – people who see you for who you are & love you for it, don’t often come along. They are the special people, who no matter what stand with you & support you. Killian & Emma have that ‘special’ connection- no matter what SF have to say about it, he will always be the one who ‘gets’ Emma above all others, because they are in a way soul mates 😉

[surayya]

Oh & I haven’t given up hope of CS either- more annoyed at the manner this ep went down & the fact we didn’t get much Hook either (it’s been so long!!!! They better not have him passed out for 1/2 of the final either lol. I want a good helping of Hook & maybe an awesome CS scene to keep me interested & going through the long summer break 😉 )

I’ll leave watching that vid until tomorrow Jasminegirl84 – I don’t want to see anymore SF (positive or negative) just yet lol – might see what A&E have to say on the official podcast 1st 😉

[surayya]

Ok- too many individual posts that I want to reference- so I’ll just blanket statement this post:

“colin o’pocalypse” – 😯 BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 I hadn’t heard that before now- great 😀

I dont think A&E are lying to us about CS/ Emma & Hook scenes either – I just wish they’d be up front & say out right if a ship has little hope of sailing in their vision of the story at that time- how is ‘we have no plans for that’ or ‘not at this stage’ a hard answer to give IF you know it’s not likely to happen or you have no plans to make it happen- it’s not an out right no, but it does say that for the moment, it’s not on the table (I assume they know everyone’s endgame- who lives & dies etc- as they said Bae/Emma/Henry was planned from day dot, so was Graham’s death etc- so they have the big stuff planned out & the small filler events are the ‘flexible’ thing’s).
I think that is a large part of what is pushing the real aggro shipping wars personally – they keep telling everyone what they want to hear, all the time (in part, to keep people tuning in each week) & that sets up conflict because 2 or 3 groups of people are being told ‘yeah of course that can happen/ anything is possible’, all the mentioned ships are hinted at on screen, their ship becomes expected on all ship sides, people get heavily invested, then when the opposite thing starts to happen on 1 of the ships, resentment starts, grows & quickly turns in to nasty comments etc (although in this case SF fans must have been VERY, VERY concerned by Hook, to be so nasty with their comments now they think SF is canon). To put an example in simple terms- it’s like saying to a bunch of school kids that they can have a chocolate if they get the correct answers on their tests, but then only giving 1/2 of them a chocolate 😉

Yes the fact Neil & Emma have said what they’ve said this early in the game would indicate (under normal circumstances), that SF isn’t endgame (one of the many logic bombs that could be dropped on the nasty SF winners, who keeping hating on CS), but as A&E keep allowing it to be a possibility, it still is a nagging possibility 😉 – one that atm, seems totally at odds with what we have so far been lead to expect 😥 .

Adam out right stated on twitter when asked if we’d have more CS moments/scenes – ‘there will be plenty (or many) of Emma & Hook scenes’ or something to that effect (that was during the break approx 4eps ago). So either he was being unfair & leading CS’s on with that statement (knowing full well, we’d read it as they will have scenes together, rather than as individuals & why even word it that anyway if you know we wont get those moments until the last ep)- thinking it was a joke (but we don’t have the benefit of ‘knowing’ exactly who Emma will end up with- if anyone, like they do- so it isn’t funny, it’s actually as mean as Neil is being to Emma in many ways 😕 ) Or so many of the CS scenes got cut, the DVD eps will be unrecognizable 😉 . I do object to those types of ‘confirmation’ comments being made, when they know full well it wont happen- I don’t think they have done that before now, but that is the way it stands now.

I respect them for the story they are telling (I doubt I could create/write or produce a successful TV series) & I wouldn’t stop watching just because my ship went down- what would stop me watching is the story tanking or leading people on in their ships, knowing full well it wont happen etc just to keep them tuning in each week. (To be clear- I’m not saying that IS what they are doing, I’m saying if IT happened on ANY show, I’d react that way).

[surayya]

@obisgirl wrote:

On the green portal scene, there was a nice gif setI saw on tumblr with some thoughtful remarks at the bottom, which I think should give us all hope for the future.

Once again Emma did what she thought she had to do to get him to stay. The girl who’s lost everyone, she gives what she thinks people give to people they want to stay. “I love you”, three words that mean forever to so many people, that mean staying, that mean not being alone. But they don’t mean that. Sometimes “I love you” is the same as “Goodbye”.

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I think that nicely sums up my feelings on that scene.

I like that spin on it- still annoyed with the scene, but taken in that context, it makes it much more swallow-able. I just cant remember having seen Emma say/do something like that, without meaning it- anyone got any examples from off the top of their heads ….I need at least 1 proven example to get over that set of scenes 😉

@obisgirl wrote:

I like Baelfire too, he’s a great kid but honestly, I hate the way he’s been so patronizing and belittling Emma this season since he came to Storybrooke with his fiance, whom we all know, is 😈 👿 . I understand that when we hear bad stuff about the people we love, you have the tendency to believe the opposite because you don’t want to think ill will about someone you love. I get that part.

We’ve seen Neal do nothing but smirk and belittle and call into question Emma’s most fundamental beliefs about herself. He has no real idea who she is now. He still thinks of her as that scared trusting 18 year old he knew. And Emma – who has been shown as a character who takes *(please avoid profanity)* from NO ONE – just….lets him. You can see it when she looks at him. After that initial burst of anger, she’s been fairly passive in their interactions. She regresses as person. How is that healthy? How does that make her better?

Exactly!!! I too like young Bae- but Neil really gets up my goat, for those exact reasons- as I’ve said many times before.
The point on Emma’s reaction to him is also true,that’s why I find scenes between those two so ….. bland, it’s like Emma shrivels up, rather than blossoms around Neil atm & the total opposite is true of Emma & Killian/Hook’s interactions- Both times Emma has become ‘better’ than who she has become, has been with Graham & with Hook- but in different ways. Neil turned Emma’s metal armour into titanium plated armour (she wasn’t letting anyone through it for any reason), until Graham- who allowed for a softening in said armour, Henry who got inside with her (despite her kicking & screaming most of the way lol 😉 ) MM/Snow who finally got the whole way in S2E1, Hook allows for her to open up & puts cracks in her titanium armour, Charming gets inside it not long afetr they return to SB (tho I’m not 100% certian on this, as they have so little time together – I did almost melt at that tender father-daughter scene they shared though 😀 ). Neil comes back into the picture & WHAM, BAM thank you maam- Emma’s armour is slammed back into place, like a door on a grizzly bear, in the blink of an eye! & She hasnt really come out of it since NY- at least how I see it anyway 😐

I don’t understand how people can be so pro SF with all the cruel/mean little things Neil does to Emma, yet be so anti CS when none of that kind of thing has taken place between them! But whatever rocks their boats I suppose 😉

@obisgirl wrote:

— that tumblr character post.

After reading that whole post, and you guys really should, tell me how Emma going back to Neal is going to help with her character growth? It won’t. If anything, Emma would probably regress and that would be heart-breaking. She needs to learn to trust again before she can love and going back to the guy who broke her heart, will not help. Hell, I wouldn’t even encourage my own kid to do that if I had one. But she can start trusting Hook, maybe even become friends with him and then, if something romantic happens later — that would be icing on the cake.

But going back to Neal would not be a healthy character development for Emma.

I’ve got the link up now to have a look at next- I don’t do tumbler, find the format hard to navigate.

[surayya]

Finally dragging myself in here for some CS loving after watching ep21 ……. No CS ……again 😥 😥 😥 & to make it worse Charming goes & punches Hook next week?!? Poor dude cant have an ep without being smacked about or tied up lol 😉 😆
I want to be all Nawww over Neil’s portal trip, but I was too busy going what the what!- we have how much his actions have broken & hurt you, leaving you unable to trust or love anyone at all for an entire decade & it only took one ‘I shouldn’t have listened to Pino’ sentence for all to be forgiven enough for you ‘need him’?! (I can understand love him- it’s not like it ended well, they share a child, he was being sucked into a portal to who knows where & she thought he was going to die- not sure why, it’s not like he was hit in the heart, lungs or stomach…. but its drama I suppose 😉 🙄 ). All was a stunned mullet when it was Tamara holding the gun- that wasnt her hand, as JMo has a freckle on that exact same finger, in that exact same place & the actress who plays Tamara doesn’t! A&E playing head games with us I thinks 😯 😉 😕 😈 😆
If Emma is now truly over what he did to her (as in, those issues don’t come back to the fore when he shows back up etc), I have to admit, I may be out- that’s just too big of a screw over for me to bother investing in watching the show anymore if that’s how it goes down (esp after 2 flippn years of how much what he did, damaged her- it took her WAY more to get ‘why’ & start getting over Snowing sending her through the wardrobe after all) 🙁
I also want Henry to get the REAL story (not to mention Snowing as well) of what happened & REALLY SEE how it has affected Emma- then & only then will he truly start going- ok, Dad hurt Mum deeply enough that they aren’t together, but they can be friends because they both love me… I’m so sick of the swept under the rug excuses for what happened, instead of them being addressed- Henry & Snowing need the details of what happened & why- not just the ‘he hurt me’ line, but the he had me sent to prison for his crime stuff. It’d be nice to have Charming actually hit someone for the right reasons for a change 😉 .
So I’m REALLY, REALLY hoping that if SF try a 2nd time around, these issues come to the fore pretty quickly, like he’s out late or something & Emma starts getting really anxious etc & it gets addressed- I just cant see them lasting, as at the end of the day, if Neil hurt Emma as much as we’ve had drummed into us for the last 2 years… repeatedly, then I don’t see them being end game- I’d rather some guy called Prince Derek was her end game (Swan Princess 😉 ), than Neil, if Not Killian….. Or Killian could be Prince Derek (to Emma’s Swan Princess- Odette, then we don’t lose characters or stories)… I wonder if we can find parallels for CS in that story too 😉
I Really hope A&E aren’t just stringing us along, to try keep us watching the show- I want the pay off we where promised & that they hinted at (with all the subtlety of a freight train 😆 😆 😆 )

LOVE your thinking on Jolly Roger, CS scenes MysteryKat- If we don’t get it next week, we need it early next season!
I’m staying away from twitter & pretty much all threads except this one etc until after next week- I’d just get so offended & start steaming if I read quarter of the Hook/Killian/CS hate I’ve heard is going around- but dropping logic bombs on people who are celebrating (even those in a negative way) isn’t something I really like to do, so I’ll just have to avoid the situation as best I can 😉
As an aside- has A&E ever out right said SQ is never going to happen??? I’m just wondering if they entertain those fans with their ‘never give up hope’ spiel, despite it pretty much being totally fan created.

[surayya]

Little snip-it of an interview Colin gave:

Love his insights 😉

[surayya]

@Sarah_TN wrote:

@Surayya wrote:

YES!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!! Confirmation! Look what I just found!!!!

I hope that wasn’t a trick answer because if not, then I’m so excited!!! 😀

I know- I edited my response, because I didn’t want people thinking it meant more than together in scenes– I just excited to FINALLY have them confirm they will be back together in scenes again….it’s been a long dull road with out the fireworks that are CS lighting things up 😉 😆

[surayya]

@Sarah_TN wrote:

I want to know when:
1*Hook finds out why Emma left him on that bean stalk
2*Hook finds out what Neal did those many years ago, and how that helped shape Emma’s judgement
3*Hook finds out why Emma went to New York
4*Hook finds out exactly what her life has been like, who she really is, and why she is the way she is
5*Emma finds out exactly what happened with Milah, at the Dark One’s (Rumplestiltskin) hands
6*Emma sees who Hook really is underneath his “macho mask”.
7*Emma finds out more about Hook’s back-story, and why he is the way he is

1) She told him why when she was locked in the cell, sadly she’d already left him up there so he wasn’t keen on excuses- I’d like to see him ‘understand’ (or try to) why she did it.
2) Dude has super spidey senses 😉 I’m sure one glance of Neil & Emma interacting & he’ll be all over that…hopefully while they are sailing & Emma has nowhere to run lol 😉
3) This will be the thing that leads to 2 or a natural deduction after discovering 2.
4) ……YES! Me too. It’s funny how if they did make Hook of noble birth, he will have yet another direct parallel to Emma lol
5) Again YES! Will make for some interesting dynamics to be sure.
6) I’m hoping for a peek of that by seasons end & delving into it more in S3.
7) Even if Emma doesn’t get ‘Killian, the early years’ story this season. At least we know we (& hopefully Emma) get ‘Hook the early years’ this ep or next 😉 lol

[surayya]

Now if we dont see CS scenes before season final, I’ll be a stuffed monkey 😉

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