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Great minds think alike MysteryKat25 π I’m glad I’m not the only one either π
I know some people have got up in arms over his treatment of Belle & how it was cold hearted & cruel, but come on- Rumple & Regina have done far greater evils many, many times over …. repeatedly & shown exactly 0 remorse for those they have killed, hurt & destroyed the lives of, so I don’t see their points TBH.
Hook at least goes by a code- it might be a little hard to follow sometimes, but at least he has morels in the face of his revenge, unlike Regina- she killed her own father, Snow’s father- pinning the murder on a man who loved her…twice! & even tried to have her own mother killed- not that I blame her so much for Cora & I shouldn’t have to remind anyone of her killing the Huntsmen π₯ & Rumple- he killed his own mute housekeep, because she “may” have over heard something about his dagger, Ripped out his wife’s (or at the least the mother of his son) heart, because she choose to leave him to make a better life for herself with another man, choose to turn an innocent-ish young Regina into one of the most evil beings in their world & ours, just to have a chance at finding his own son, whom he lost because of his own cowardliness & selfish greed for power, not to mention turning a man into a snail & squishing him because Bae bumped into him- despite Bae pleading with Rumple to leave the man alone- by those things alone Regina & Rumple shouldn’t be able to be redeemed, if Hook is so evil for striking & shooting Belle in the shoulder…. Jeez, so far all Hook has done is shoot someone.
Before Rumple ripped out Milah’s heart Hook didn’t seem all that bad tbh- just a typical swashbuckling, pirate- all be it a very good looking & charming one π .
He was ‘mean’ when he thought Rumple/darkone was a beggar yes – but honestly how many lovey-dovey pirates do we know of in fairytale land?! Doubt many pirates, would be pirates if they were to ask if beggars needed help when they came across them π BUT he refused to fight pre-darkone Rumple unless he was armed, he also gave him an option to fight or leave- there is only so much “nice” a pirate can show, before he’s no longer a pirate after all & since when has Regina or Rumple given any of their intended victims an actual choice like that?
Yes he helped Cora, but that was after Rumple killed Milah- so in many way’s Rumple is responsible for Hook’s vengeance himself- no different to Rumple being responsible for Regina becoming the Evil Queen- neither of these 2 would be who they are without Rumple’s direct involvement.
Hook only teamed up with Cora to get to Rumple- Eddy & Adam have already said in the official podcast that Hook didn’t like Cora ripping out all those hearts, so he defected to Emma’s side- Cora scares him., they also said Hook was being genuine with Emma when up the bean stalk.
He saved Aurora’s heart from being swallowed by the portal & said he only did what was required to get him to Rumple, he didn’t want to cause any undue harm to Aurora (just for the….. fire of Hades of it) & in all honesty, he could have simply let her heart be lost forever- when has Rumple or Regina ever ‘put right’ the harm they’ve done to another moving their own needs forward- esp given that person wouldn’t be needed to help them any further with their goals.
The way I see it, is the guy- even for a pirate, is pretty mild as far as evil goes- he has some form of ethics that he works off of & has a moral code as well (more than what can be said for Regina & Rumple until recently!) & that say’s allot!
Could he have done greater evils after Rumple killed Milah- I’d beat big money he has!
Was he an angel before he meet Milah & Rumple- highly doubtful- the man is a pirate after all π
I Really want to see his back story- I hope he was kind of like a lost boy himself, but he chose to grow up kind of thing (since Peter & he no-longer have the hand loss or crocodile in common with the traditional story, it could be how Peter & he come to blows…. unless Neil is Bae & Peter pan lol)- Hook gets Emma far to much for there not to be a REALLY great story behind his version of events πPersonally I see him as a kind of anti-hero – kind of like Jack Sparrow…but hotter & allot like Emma- they are so perfect for each other π π
edited to add- I love Regina & like Rumple- I don’t like their actions, but admire anyone who tries to change for the better- they just need to do it for themselves instead of others to be truly redeemed now (the only one I don’t really care to much about is Cora at his stage- that woman has serious psycho issues…. but I will probably grow to understand her eventually.)
[adrotate group="5"]surayyaParticipant@Kellyn1604 wrote:
I just don’t see any redeeming qualities in Hook. Yes, he’s easy on the eyes and charming but he doesn’t have any remorse for any of his wrong doings. That is what sets him apart from Gold/Rumple. He at least regrets letting Bae go and has been trying to rectify that situation. We’ve seen that Rumple started as a good man…flawed but essentially good….redemption is possible. We haven’t been shown anything (yet, I know we could see it and I could change my mind later) that shows that Hook can be redeemed. Plus, he would be a horrible step dad.
Hmmm- you forget all the people Rumple killed in cold blood because he could- the guy Bae bumped into playing ball- turned into a snail & squished, the ‘house keeper’ stabbed to death because of what she may have over heard, his own wife! The list I’m sure goes on- Rumple, as far as we have seen or he has demonstrated, doesn’t regret those killings in the slightest (he’d gladly have added Moe & the Charmings- including Henry/ a child! to the list if he felt like it)- they were a means to get what he wanted plain & simple- the same with Hook.
The same holds true of Regina as well.I think we will see Hook get his chance at redemption- at least I hope we do, as he is the one character who pulled me back into Once- I had become sick of all the bouncing around between the filler characters (& yes I know Hook was one of the fillers, but he is a regular now, so more like Belle, Red & Grumpy) π .
Sorry if this has been stated by someone else- I haven’t read through the whole thread yet π³
surayyaParticipantWell I’m all for Captain Swan, it’s part of why I haven’t given up on the show π (I lost interest shortly after Crocodile, to much bouncing around, playing with filler charters for my liking, but that seems to have changed & the focus is more on our main 6 again YAY!)
What I have found interesting is that Hook hasn’t once referred to Milah as his “true love”, so I don’t think she was ‘it’.
I also have looked at all the interviews I could pertaining to Hook & in every single one I’ve found, it just says he truly did love her or he did love her- none state she was his “true love”.It’d be awesome if Hook & Emma were ‘true loves’- they had that instant connection/chemistry that Charming & Snow had when they 1st meet (& the circumstances were just as stacked against those 2, as they are for Emma & Hook- in my mind anyway lol π ) .
I also doubt Hook will give up his revenge for anything short of “true love” tbh & I cant see him being redeemed if he cant give that up…….Ohhhhh, just had another thought, what if Hook does Love Emma, but refuses to let go of his revenge, so Emma gets in the way of him taking out Rumple, (because Rumple is Neil/Bae’s Dad & so the grandfather of Henry, which makes him family), which then gives Cora (&/or Regina) the opportunity to put Emma in danger, which forces Hook to make a choice between vengeance/ hate/ sorrow/ Rumple & sacrifice/ love/ happiness/ Emma/ stepping toward redemption π It would prove outright to Emma what she needs proven- that he will stay & stand with her till the end….. no matter what or who it is.
Like everyone else, I REALLY hope they don’t do the whole endgame for Emma as Neil/Emma- that would suck turkey burgers! π
Personally I don’t like Neil & there didn’t appear to be any real chemistry between them, more it was the 1st person who ‘stayed around’ long enough to show an ‘interest’ in Emma, so she being very young, lonely & vulnerable fell totally in love with him & he eventually fell in love with her- end of story.
Yes I think he should be a great Dad for Henry & that he & Emma sort it out for Henry’s sake, but that’s as far as it goes.
The reason- Emma needs a strong true love (like her parents have) & Neil has proven he isn’t it!
I know he left the money & car for her, but I just think- esp given the lengths Snow & Charming went to, to be together, that had it been ‘true love’ (& I think Emma seriously deserves a “true love” to be perfectly honest), that he would not, could not, have simply walked out of her life so totally & utterly- yep, we may find out he went a looking for her- after all he knew how approx long she had in jail & he knew they had plans to go to Tallahassee, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist!- he should have gone to wait for her there & to help her fulfill her destiny. However, in the end we know he's still in NY AFTER receiving August's postcard informing him that the curse is broken & where to go to find Emma. Him still being there- for whatever reason, proves to me it's not true love- it cant be given how true love has been portrayed on the show thus far- ie. even after Snow told Charming she didn't love him, he sought her out anyway, then was told she did love him, only to find she had forgotten him & was going to kill the Queen, so he took an arrow for her- even though Snow had rejected him, nor remembered him- Now that is true love & it is what Emma deserves after everything she has been through. It is shown much the same way for Belle & Rumple (though I think their true love inst as 'deep/ powerful'- not sure those are the exact words I'm looking for, but they'll do- as Snow & Charming's), with Belle going back to Rumple after he threw her out & Rumple wanting to make amends after throwing Belle out & then holding himself back from doing as he pleases, how he pleases, solely for the love of Belle- not to mention that 1st kiss πEmma need’s & deserves a strong, deep, powerful true love as her end game, not just someone/people who will/do love her. After all she had all love stripped from her as a baby, child & part of her adult life- she has to have a SERIOUS payoff for that- surely!
Neil & Regina would do well together- I’d like that, it would tie things up nicely for all involved- Rumple would get Regin as he was meant to (miller’s daughter’s, child), his love, son & grandson.
Regina gets someone to love, who loves her, Neil/Bae would mean Regina would have Henry as a true son again, Bae would help keep Regina magic free π & Rumple from being the ‘darkone’ again.
Emma gets a real true love- Hook;) (or another), keeps Henry as her son, but feels safe sharing him with Regina, on account of Neil/Bae- same with Snow & Charming.
It’d also finish the Regina hating Snow arc neatly- as well as effectively stop the killing games & restore peace nicely.
Henry get’s it all- 2 moms. 2 dads & 2 sets of awesome grandparents- well everyone of those 6 couples are still good to go, as far as having there own child/children later on- so all would be well with the world/s once again lol πsurayyaParticipant^ & even then you’re still likely to get someone who will disagree with the sentiment lol π
surayyaParticipant^ & even then you’re still likely to get someone who will disagree with the sentiment lol π
surayyaParticipant@steliokontos1 wrote:
But we haven’t even seen him do anything really wrong, I’m really not convinced of how evil he is so far.
I agree with you 100% there & it’s why I think Emma & Hook having a ‘thing’ will be interesting π
I am really starting to wonder if Hook’s evil will more turn out to be his all consuming need for revenge on Rumple- which in my eyes really doesn’t make him any worse than Rumple π
In fact at this stage, I think it actually makes him less a bad guy than Rumple since Hook’s ‘code of honour’ has meant he doesn’t kill those who wont fight him (ie. he didn’t just kill a crippled Rumple when he went to get his wife that 1st time, yet Rumple has killed people for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time).I do think Hook is/was a bully (Rumple in the alley proves that) & is considered a ‘dangerous’ man (a given considering his line of work), but we’ve yet to see an act of true evil.
I think the fact that Emma is such a strong women that knows when he’s lying & when he’s not & actually will call him out on it, is exactly what will draw him to her- whether he wants to be or not, as I cant see him having had anyone call him out on his actions or see through his faΓ§ades in quite sometime π
I personally LOVE the complexity H&K have brought to this (extremely hot! π ) version of Hook π
surayyaParticipant@Phee wrote:
We don’t know whether or not anyone in FTL history attempted to recharge magic. Maybe they did, and failed. But I don’t think that needed to be shown. We can just assume it wasn’t possible, because if it was, Blue would have been going around recharging stuff left, right and centre, instead of being bummed about having a limited resource of magic left in the world.
Also, if that was possible in the past, well, we’d have no show. So I’m happy to just accept that it wasn’t ever a viable option in the past, and that in the present day, Snow was merely grasping at straws to find a way back to SB.
I already agree with that as you’ve just repeated most of what I pointed out in my 1st post as reasons why I didn’t like how they had handled it. Nor did I say we needed to be shown- I said a single sentence would have ‘explained’ it away.
Snow grasping at straws- as I stated before, would have been fine had a single sentence been included in the dialogue somewhere- otherwise, honestly she seems to be a bit of an idiot considering she had mths/yr to come up with alternative plans for the whole ‘only 1 can go through’ curse problem- which she herself said she didn’t want to go through with – (Charming also said she was the one who “ran” the kingdom (aka the brains of the pair), he was the “sword”). How they did it doesn’t fit her character as they’ve portrayed her in the past in my opinion, so I don’t like it.
It also feels like they used the wardrobe as an excuse to get Emma & Snow to their home/castle- They could have gone looking for magic or fairy dust to make their own portal, have gone to try find another enchanted tree/object, see if they could find another realm jumper etc- none of which is “sitting on their arses or wandering aimlessly hoping to stumble on a working portal by chance” as you so eloquently put it π . All would have also made far more sense than bringing up recharging magic for the reasons we’ve both stated & that is where I have the problem– they could have had to have gone near the castle on their mission to find a way home & so camped there overnight, which would have allowed the castle scenes to take place as well.
I do understand what you’ve said & even tried to see it from your perspective- I did after all state if they had included a ‘tell’ sentence with-in the dialogue, I would agree with you & not have an issue with it, but they didn’t & nothing you’ve said has convinced me otherwise, I simply see it differently than you do π
We don’t have to agree- it’s human nature that we don’t all think & feel about everything the exact same way- after all ‘ask 10 different people to describe the exact same image & you’ll get 10 different answers’ π Everyone is entitled to their own opinion & the only expectation is those opinions be respected, whether we agree with them or not π
surayyaParticipant@hjbau wrote:
We are not being clear i think. I am saying that when they said it that it was a joke. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. The car is not supposed to be herbie. After all that nonsense about the reporters trying to suggest that there was something romantic going on between Snow and Lancelot, believe me the reporters try and spin things however they want. Or reporters know so little about the show that when the producers make a joke they don’t even know it is happening. Repeat it all you wish, i just do not agree with you.
Back at you- I will continue to take H&K statements as being what is true regarding Once π
surayyaParticipant@Phee wrote:
But like I also said in my post, I’m thinking that this ability to recharge magic is something unique to Emma, that no one has been able to do before, so they never would have considered recharging magical objects as an option back then. All they had was a dwindling resource of magic and a one time use tree.
@Phee wrote:
Yes only a hint for the audience. Snow certainly has no idea that her daughter is magical, and I’m pretty sure Emma has no idea she’s magical herself. I was suggesting that Snow was just desperately hoping against hope that there would be someone back at camp who had some idea of how to make it work, not that she definitely knew there was a way to do it.
What you’ve said in the your 2nd post contradicts what you said in your 1st post though- why would Snow think of it, if it had already proven IMPOSSIBLE in the past- we all agree she has no clue Emma is special in that way, so nothing had changed- other than having even less magic & magical beings available to use it.
The fact Snow even thought of it, should have been addressed since it directly pertains to one of main themes of the show- Emma had to go through without her parents etc.Yes she could have been hoping it was possible- but there was no tie-in given NO mention was made of any attempts to recharge magical objects before the curse hit.
You have to admit it’s looks hinky if all of a sudden they can recharge magic, yet never bothered to try it before the curse hit & that they could have approached this aspect of it much better given it involves one of the main themes of the show.
surayyaParticipant@hjbau wrote:
The herbie thing was a joke. Every time i have seen them actually mention it, it was said as a joke. I have no idea where it was in those millions of comic con stuff, but i think that was just something people said and then the producers mocked.
I’m not going to state this again- as I thought I’d made it very clear in every single post on the matter- H&K gave an interview months AFTER comic con, to a reporter about this episode in particular & THEY STATED to this reporter (there was no question asked about it), that the car is Herbie– the reporter had it in quotations as a direct quote from H&K, with no laughingly, jokingly or lol attached to the sentence.
I now know what you are talking about regarding the mix up at comic con over the title sequences- However H&K said that “people thought we were going to do an episode about Emma’s car” (they didn’t mention Herbie in any of the comic con clips I watch about it either, they just said “Emma’s car”- I’ve now seen 4 different clips of that conversation)- because they had shown it in the title sequence to hint at Emma’s back story ….. So I’m unsure where you got ‘Herbie mix up’ from in the 1st place π The interview I’m talking about was way, way after that mix up had already been cleared up by H&K date wise & wasn’t mentioned nor referenced at all.
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