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February 11, 2013 at 4:30 am #172388em28Participant
obisgirl- I really like that one 😀
Wow..this Tiny episode was so good! I’m actually glad that Hook has teamed up with Cora again, because Cora and Regina are going to double cross him. Why do I think this? Because Hook wants to kill Rumple, not just control him, and Cora wants to take Rumples’ powers for herself. So it’s pretty obvious what’s going to happen. Anyway, this is good for Captain Swan, because it means that after he gets double crossed, he will go back to the ‘good guys’ meaning Emma, and he’ll begin to realise his feelings for her. This probably isn’t going to happen next episode and it might not even happen in the one after, but it is going to happen soon! 😀
Also, just a reminder that Jane Espenson said that the Captain Swan fans are going to love the upcoming episodes- so this means lots of CS feels/scenes!!
[adrotate group="5"]February 11, 2013 at 5:45 am #172395MysteryKat25ParticipantSo glad to hear something positive about CaptainSwan! I completely agree: once Cora & Regina inevitably go against him and he’ll have to work with Emma again. As Snow said tonight, Hook goes where the wind blows, it’s in his nature and he will have to switch back at some point.
Glad to see the reinforcement from Jane Espenson, so excited at least one of the writers enjoys CS like we do!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
February 11, 2013 at 6:35 am #172402lilredParticipantWow! I actually follow Jane Espenson’s twitter and have never read her mention CS – or it being related back to Manhattan. Do you have any stills or a link?
February 11, 2013 at 6:49 am #172403em28ParticipantShe has stated this in an interview thing- I don’t know what exactly it’s called, but Jane was doing an interview, I think on a radio station and someone rang up asked her questions about CS. I’ve copied and pasted this from a Tumblr ‘blog’ I think its called.
Anyway, she also mentioned that we (as in people who support CS) will enjoy what’s coming in another interview but I can’t remember where it was, I’ll keep searching for it though. 🙂 So to me, and many other people, it sounds like something BIG is going to happen for us 😀 Because I don’t think that she was talking about the Tiny episode, I think it might be about Manhattan or even episodes after.Me: I was just wondering if you could talk about what was going on between Hook and Emma, and how that’ll play out moving forward, especially since I feel like they’ve been building for a really long time, like since Tallahasse, which was an episode I know you [Jane] wrote a lot on.
Me: And how they’ll move forward with Neal coming into the picture, and whether or not they have a lot of..hope.
Jane Espenson: Well! We should always have hope, as we’ve just learned.
Jane: That is obviously appearing where there are a lot sparks on screen, even though he’s done some pretty bad things on screen, and he’s said some pretty, you know, suggestive things–but there IS this spark there, and I think we are aware of that spark.
Jane: But you’re right, there are a lot of complications. We know how she felt about Neal in the past…All I can say is that we are aware of how well those two play together.
Me: It seemed to me at the end of the episode that Emma went off with Rumple because he said it would it would protect Hook.
Me: And she spent the entire episode protecting him–you know, she hid him, kept him safe, and I wonder if that’ll be brought up, maybe to Hook?
Jane: Um…I cannot comment, but I think you should keep watching, I think you’re gonna like it.Heres the link to the interview- at about 35:10 the question is asked 🙂
February 12, 2013 at 6:22 am #172661playaritaParticipantI think Emma and Hook might blow off some steam (especially if Emma is pent up with emotions because of NealFire) but he really needs to stop flirting with Snow (also in Tiny when he tells Snow that he now knows where Emma got her gumption then sticks out his tongue slightly to one corner–maybe bites it slightly… It’s like Hook, dude… you don’t actually hint to what you want to do to Emma in front of her parents… can you imagine what the inevitable family dinner will be like if it progresses: Emma: You hit on my mom? You insinuated what you wanted to do with me? Henry then chiming in with questions…
Though I look forward for the inevitable triangle between Neal, Emma and Hook and then possibly another triangle between Belle, Rumple and Hook… 😆
February 12, 2013 at 2:22 pm #172718surayyaParticipantWell I’m all for Captain Swan, it’s part of why I haven’t given up on the show 😉 (I lost interest shortly after Crocodile, to much bouncing around, playing with filler charters for my liking, but that seems to have changed & the focus is more on our main 6 again YAY!)
What I have found interesting is that Hook hasn’t once referred to Milah as his “true love”, so I don’t think she was ‘it’.
I also have looked at all the interviews I could pertaining to Hook & in every single one I’ve found, it just says he truly did love her or he did love her- none state she was his “true love”.It’d be awesome if Hook & Emma were ‘true loves’- they had that instant connection/chemistry that Charming & Snow had when they 1st meet (& the circumstances were just as stacked against those 2, as they are for Emma & Hook- in my mind anyway lol 😉 ) .
I also doubt Hook will give up his revenge for anything short of “true love” tbh & I cant see him being redeemed if he cant give that up…….Ohhhhh, just had another thought, what if Hook does Love Emma, but refuses to let go of his revenge, so Emma gets in the way of him taking out Rumple, (because Rumple is Neil/Bae’s Dad & so the grandfather of Henry, which makes him family), which then gives Cora (&/or Regina) the opportunity to put Emma in danger, which forces Hook to make a choice between vengeance/ hate/ sorrow/ Rumple & sacrifice/ love/ happiness/ Emma/ stepping toward redemption 😎 It would prove outright to Emma what she needs proven- that he will stay & stand with her till the end….. no matter what or who it is.
Like everyone else, I REALLY hope they don’t do the whole endgame for Emma as Neil/Emma- that would suck turkey burgers! 🙁
Personally I don’t like Neil & there didn’t appear to be any real chemistry between them, more it was the 1st person who ‘stayed around’ long enough to show an ‘interest’ in Emma, so she being very young, lonely & vulnerable fell totally in love with him & he eventually fell in love with her- end of story.
Yes I think he should be a great Dad for Henry & that he & Emma sort it out for Henry’s sake, but that’s as far as it goes.
The reason- Emma needs a strong true love (like her parents have) & Neil has proven he isn’t it!
I know he left the money & car for her, but I just think- esp given the lengths Snow & Charming went to, to be together, that had it been ‘true love’ (& I think Emma seriously deserves a “true love” to be perfectly honest), that he would not, could not, have simply walked out of her life so totally & utterly- yep, we may find out he went a looking for her- after all he knew how approx long she had in jail & he knew they had plans to go to Tallahassee, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist!- he should have gone to wait for her there & to help her fulfill her destiny. However, in the end we know he's still in NY AFTER receiving August's postcard informing him that the curse is broken & where to go to find Emma. Him still being there- for whatever reason, proves to me it's not true love- it cant be given how true love has been portrayed on the show thus far- ie. even after Snow told Charming she didn't love him, he sought her out anyway, then was told she did love him, only to find she had forgotten him & was going to kill the Queen, so he took an arrow for her- even though Snow had rejected him, nor remembered him- Now that is true love & it is what Emma deserves after everything she has been through. It is shown much the same way for Belle & Rumple (though I think their true love inst as 'deep/ powerful'- not sure those are the exact words I'm looking for, but they'll do- as Snow & Charming's), with Belle going back to Rumple after he threw her out & Rumple wanting to make amends after throwing Belle out & then holding himself back from doing as he pleases, how he pleases, solely for the love of Belle- not to mention that 1st kiss 😉Emma need’s & deserves a strong, deep, powerful true love as her end game, not just someone/people who will/do love her. After all she had all love stripped from her as a baby, child & part of her adult life- she has to have a SERIOUS payoff for that- surely!
Neil & Regina would do well together- I’d like that, it would tie things up nicely for all involved- Rumple would get Regin as he was meant to (miller’s daughter’s, child), his love, son & grandson.
Regina gets someone to love, who loves her, Neil/Bae would mean Regina would have Henry as a true son again, Bae would help keep Regina magic free 😉 & Rumple from being the ‘darkone’ again.
Emma gets a real true love- Hook;) (or another), keeps Henry as her son, but feels safe sharing him with Regina, on account of Neil/Bae- same with Snow & Charming.
It’d also finish the Regina hating Snow arc neatly- as well as effectively stop the killing games & restore peace nicely.
Henry get’s it all- 2 moms. 2 dads & 2 sets of awesome grandparents- well everyone of those 6 couples are still good to go, as far as having there own child/children later on- so all would be well with the world/s once again lol 😉February 12, 2013 at 11:34 pm #172826MysteryKat25Participant@Surayya I like the way you think and couldn’t have said it better myself! I’ve actually been hoping for the pairings you mentioned near the end for exactly those reasons! I’ll wait to reserve complete judgment on Neal until we see more of him but I’ve been CaptainSwan all the way since Tallahassee aired. We haven’t gotten to see enough of Hook’s backstory for some to see potential but glad others agree with me that it’s there! (Aren’t there lots of characters that were hated before they were loved? Give a guy a chance before condemning!) We all see different things different ways, but I can totally see things working out exactly the way you suggested and am thrilled I’m not alone – too much bashing around here lately, makes it hard to (vocally) love something like this sometimes. You just made my day with your well-thought out and well-written argument for all of the above, so thank you 🙂
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
February 13, 2013 at 2:16 am #172860surayyaParticipantGreat minds think alike MysteryKat25 😉 I’m glad I’m not the only one either 😀
I know some people have got up in arms over his treatment of Belle & how it was cold hearted & cruel, but come on- Rumple & Regina have done far greater evils many, many times over …. repeatedly & shown exactly 0 remorse for those they have killed, hurt & destroyed the lives of, so I don’t see their points TBH.
Hook at least goes by a code- it might be a little hard to follow sometimes, but at least he has morels in the face of his revenge, unlike Regina- she killed her own father, Snow’s father- pinning the murder on a man who loved her…twice! & even tried to have her own mother killed- not that I blame her so much for Cora & I shouldn’t have to remind anyone of her killing the Huntsmen 😥 & Rumple- he killed his own mute housekeep, because she “may” have over heard something about his dagger, Ripped out his wife’s (or at the least the mother of his son) heart, because she choose to leave him to make a better life for herself with another man, choose to turn an innocent-ish young Regina into one of the most evil beings in their world & ours, just to have a chance at finding his own son, whom he lost because of his own cowardliness & selfish greed for power, not to mention turning a man into a snail & squishing him because Bae bumped into him- despite Bae pleading with Rumple to leave the man alone- by those things alone Regina & Rumple shouldn’t be able to be redeemed, if Hook is so evil for striking & shooting Belle in the shoulder…. Jeez, so far all Hook has done is shoot someone.
Before Rumple ripped out Milah’s heart Hook didn’t seem all that bad tbh- just a typical swashbuckling, pirate- all be it a very good looking & charming one 😉 .
He was ‘mean’ when he thought Rumple/darkone was a beggar yes – but honestly how many lovey-dovey pirates do we know of in fairytale land?! Doubt many pirates, would be pirates if they were to ask if beggars needed help when they came across them 😉 BUT he refused to fight pre-darkone Rumple unless he was armed, he also gave him an option to fight or leave- there is only so much “nice” a pirate can show, before he’s no longer a pirate after all & since when has Regina or Rumple given any of their intended victims an actual choice like that?
Yes he helped Cora, but that was after Rumple killed Milah- so in many way’s Rumple is responsible for Hook’s vengeance himself- no different to Rumple being responsible for Regina becoming the Evil Queen- neither of these 2 would be who they are without Rumple’s direct involvement.
Hook only teamed up with Cora to get to Rumple- Eddy & Adam have already said in the official podcast that Hook didn’t like Cora ripping out all those hearts, so he defected to Emma’s side- Cora scares him., they also said Hook was being genuine with Emma when up the bean stalk.
He saved Aurora’s heart from being swallowed by the portal & said he only did what was required to get him to Rumple, he didn’t want to cause any undue harm to Aurora (just for the….. fire of Hades of it) & in all honesty, he could have simply let her heart be lost forever- when has Rumple or Regina ever ‘put right’ the harm they’ve done to another moving their own needs forward- esp given that person wouldn’t be needed to help them any further with their goals.
The way I see it, is the guy- even for a pirate, is pretty mild as far as evil goes- he has some form of ethics that he works off of & has a moral code as well (more than what can be said for Regina & Rumple until recently!) & that say’s allot!
Could he have done greater evils after Rumple killed Milah- I’d beat big money he has!
Was he an angel before he meet Milah & Rumple- highly doubtful- the man is a pirate after all 😉
I Really want to see his back story- I hope he was kind of like a lost boy himself, but he chose to grow up kind of thing (since Peter & he no-longer have the hand loss or crocodile in common with the traditional story, it could be how Peter & he come to blows…. unless Neil is Bae & Peter pan lol)- Hook gets Emma far to much for there not to be a REALLY great story behind his version of events 😉Personally I see him as a kind of anti-hero – kind of like Jack Sparrow…but hotter & allot like Emma- they are so perfect for each other 😆 😉
edited to add- I love Regina & like Rumple- I don’t like their actions, but admire anyone who tries to change for the better- they just need to do it for themselves instead of others to be truly redeemed now (the only one I don’t really care to much about is Cora at his stage- that woman has serious psycho issues…. but I will probably grow to understand her eventually.)
February 13, 2013 at 2:56 am #172868MysteryKat25ParticipantUgh, just lost my entire reply to your comment. Grr.
Agree agree agree – you get the point.
I can see where people come from on most characters etc (even if not my favorites), but it is interesting to see how some characters who have done far worse things get defended and Hook just gets ripped apart.
The way I see it Hook is a great combo of Dread Pirate Roberts and Jack Sparrow, I’ve said this from the beginning and it’s what I love about him most I think (contrary to seemingly popular belief, Hook fans don’t love him because he’s hot…that’s just a perk).
Hook seems to get Emma in a way that nobody has in a really long time and I think she gets to him as well, and is just reluctant to trust anybody because she’s been burned too badly before. Hook got under her skin though and if he hadn’t she wouldn’t have locked him up! She even said it was because she wanted to trust him and that was the problem.
What people seem to forget I think is the fact that we didn’t get to see what Hook would have done when he landed from the beanstalk. Cora pounced the moment he got there and every conversation between Hook and Emma in present day FTL that happened after that was IN FRONT OF CORA.
Hook does have a moral code (how refreshing for a villain…a pirate no less!…instead of using magic left and right and hurting random innocent people for the fun of it or because they’re upset). Hook used his one-time-only magic on Aurora to manipulate Cora because he was running out of options but he MADE SURE that her heart was returned to her safely.
Also, Hook totally threw that fight. He’s had WAY too much practice time with a sword and as mad as he was with Emma for leaving him there for 10 hours (and therefore forcing him to work with Cora again since she showed up and he is nothing if not in self-preservation mode), he doesn’t want any harm to come to her. As soon as he found out about what the lake was capable of, he had a plan to get to Storybrooke: repair the magic bean. Cora didn’t know that, but Hook DID.
Emma got everything she wanted out of that fight. Hook made sure to give Aurora’s heart back, Emma and Snow went through the portal so that Emma could get back to her kid. You really expect me to believe that he didn’t allow that to happen as hurt as he was? I’m fully expecting it to come up sometime when they fight again and nobody else is around. It’s an Ace up his sleeve for when he needs to make a point that he’s been on her side. I think the only reason he ever works against her is that the others offer him a chance at Rumple, and because Emma hurt him. I fully expect the pendulum to swing the other way sometime (hopefully) soon.
Technically he did cause the Aurora heart situation but he made sure to get it back and he helped Emma get the compass in the first place. But what else have we seen him do? He kicked the poor fish guy into the water so he wouldn’t suffocate. Cora’s answer to the annoying person who shouldn’t witness their arrival was to essentially kill the guy. Hook couldn’t do anything to reverse it without going against Cora (and he doesn’t have any magic and it wouldn’t have helped him to tick off Cora who he needs to distract people so that he can go after Rumple) but he DID save the guy in a way by not letting him die! Does he care about the random fish guy? NO. Does he senselessly go around hurting anybody who isn’t necessary to his particular plan? No. And even then he reverses the damage when he can.
I’m sure Snow & Charming wouldn’t be thrilled about Hook and Emma…but if anybody’s gonna understand eventually, it should be them. Look at where they started out!
I think Hook really isn’t as bad as everybody makes him out to be. He just reacts badly sometimes because he’s hurt (as do Rumple, Regina, Cora, etc etc) but he doesn’t go around killing random people at least. That’s something.
Just because he’s done bad things doesn’t mean it’s ok to defend a pairing like Rumbelle (for example) and then condemn CaptainSwan…both are the “good” girls bringing about the “bad boys” and goodness knows no character on this show is a saint, even the savior, and others have done far worse things. (Though I have a feeling at least part of the Rumbelle vs CaptainSwan bashing has to do with Rumple and Hook being major enemies. I for one love both).
I love the CaptainSwan chemistry and look forward to much more of their interaction. This show is still about hope, right?
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
February 13, 2013 at 3:07 am #172871surayyaParticipantIt sucks when your post gets lost in cyber-space- I feel for you there!
I agree 100% with everything you’ve said 🙂 bring on CaptainSwan!!!! (& Please, please some good Hook back story) 😀
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