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LOL Phee- if we thought anymore alike we’d be one person π
Sadly When I read the story, just like you I read it as “Daughter” instead of Son π³ π πAlso to add weight to the theory how about this –
Whale may not = Large marine mammal Whale, but hit or beat- as in “He came upstairs & whaled me”.
Or
Whale is a word that describes someone who spends a lot of money in a casino. Whales are also referred to as high rollers.
A gambler making unusually large bets, not necessarily a very good player
Name given to the very high roller, somebody who wagers thousands of dollars on single bet.Im willing to bet that if the name has anything to do with who he is in FTL or where ever he comes from it has nothing to do with marine mammals & more to do with the more obscure meanings for the name.
Personally A gambler would fit nicely with the Puss in Boots theory I think.
[adrotate group="5"]surayyaParticipantWhat got me thinking that Dr Whale wasn’t as creepy & villainous as I 1st found him, was in the last ep of S1 when Emma breaks the curse- the Blue Fairy rubs his shoulder/back/arm like she is reassuring him, like he needed comfort- why would she do that if he was a villain?
She only seems to act in the best interest of FTL as a whole, rather than for anyone person, so if he had been a bad guy who was out to make bad things happen, she wouldn’t want to comfort him & she have told him to run well he could cause we all remember who you are now, just like she told Regina to.
I agree that as he was in a position of power, yet still firmly under Regina’s thumb, that he is connected to Regina or her family in some way- to me Puss in Boots belonging to a Miller is the best direct connection we’ve had so far, as Regina as far as we know hasn’t had much or any dealings with Gep & Pinno per say.
The Cheshire cat could work as he’d be connected via Wonderland to Regina, whom we know for sure has A, Been to wonderland at least twice. B, Had dealings with the Queen of Hearts & C, has history with the Mad Hatter.
Also Whale may not = Large marine mammal Whale, but hit or beat- as in “He came upstairs & whaled me”.
Or
Whale is a word that describes someone who spends a lot of money in a casino. Whales are also referred to as high rollers.
A gambler making unusually large bets, not necessarily a very good player
Name given to the very high roller, somebody who wagers thousands of dollars on single bet.Im willing to bet that if the name has anything to do with who he is in FTL or where ever he comes from it has nothing to do with marine mammals & more to do with the more obscure meanings for the name.
Personally A gambler would fit nicely with the Puss in Boots theory I think.
I’m not 100% sold on who Dr Whale is but I will be VERY interested to finally find out who & what he is lol π Its only been bugging me since ep 3 π
surayyaParticipantthere are another 2 items to collect, hatters hat & the glass slipper!
surayyaParticipantI just posted this in another thread as it really makes sense – all joking aside π
“Puss in Boots”, is a French literary fairy tale about a cat who uses trickery and deceit to gain power, wealth, and the hand of a princess in marriage for his penniless and low-born master.
“Puss in Boots” has provided inspiration for composers, choreographers, and other artists over the centuries. The cat appears in the third act pas de caractΓ¨re of Tchaikovsky’s ballet The Sleeping Beauty, for example
& it gets better …
The original fairy tale opens with the third and youngest son of a miller receiving his inheritance β a cat. At first, the youngest son laments, as the eldest brother gains the mill, and the middle brother attains the mules.Now given this cat allows his miller master to gain the hand of a princess in marriage, it’s actually not not a bad fit & ties into the already established FTL story they have – esp if they have Cora marrying that miller care of Puss in Boots!
Then again I could just be reading WAYYYY too much into things – however for now, Im gonna fly my Whale is Puss flag π
surayyaParticipantOh holy oats- I jokingly said in the Dr Whale thread, “I’ll laugh till I’m blue in the face if he turns out to be Puss in Boots lol” Read this & then thought hmmm – I’ll look into the story & see what jumps out -Well blow me down ….
“Puss in Boots”, is a French literary fairy tale about a cat who uses trickery and deceit to gain power, wealth, and the hand of a princess in marriage for his penniless and low-born master.“Puss in Boots” has provided inspiration for composers, choreographers, and other artists over the centuries. The cat appears in the third act pas de caractΓ¨re of Tchaikovsky’s ballet The Sleeping Beauty, for example
& it gets better …
The original fairy tale opens with the third and youngest son of a miller receiving his inheritance β a cat. At first, the youngest son laments, as the eldest brother gains the mill, and the middle brother attains the mules.Now given this cat allows his miller master to gain the hand of a princess in marriage, it’s actually not not a bad fit & ties into the already established FTL story they have – esp if they have Cora marrying that miller care of Puss in Boots! π
Then again I could just be reading WAY to much into things π
surayyaParticipantI’ll laugh until blue in the face if he turns out to be Puss in boots lol π
surayyaParticipant@charming wrote:
I agree with the alien thing. It is a real hard sell to try to convince someone who has never been to SB and has read every FT story to believe they are true. Does anyone remember when they showed the led of August it flashed from wooden to real leg. Guess who saw what?????? It is not seeing what you want to it is seeing what was there. Emma saw real leg and August saw wooden. What was there to not believe?? She saw a leg. Emma felt a heart beat in Graham but Graham felt otherwise. Yes aliens falls into the same category as believing FT characters are real people.
Yeah- it’s one of a very few examples that I could come up with that clearly gets people going, ‘oh, hang on, if you put it like that’ lol.
I have a couple of friends who started getting really peeved about Emma not believing & I pulled out the Alien along with another example, cards & it was very funny to see the look of horror on their faces as they realized there is no way out unless they said they believed in Aliens π Needless to say Emma has been cut some slack in my circle of Once friends lolWe dont really know exactly what Graham felt, as he never said he didnt have a heart before getting his story from Henry & it was then that he found out the queen had ripped out his heart, so he figured thats why he couldnt feel anything- he didnt have a heart.
I could be wrong in my following interpretation but I thought that meant he didnt know he literally didnt have a heart, just that he couldnt ‘connect’/have strong feelings/emotions for or with anyone (kind of like Regina desperately trying to full her ’empty ‘void’- which we know is a feeling not literal lol). I mean why else leave Regina in possession of your heart after standing up to her (if you Knew categorically that she possesses your heart & not you yourself, wouldnt you want to kind of tread lightly until you got it back, seeming how she could kill you at any moment you stepped out of line????) – I also got the feeling that Graham still didnt realize Regina did indeed have his actual heart as after Emma kissed him he said “thank you” not “Oh, Shivers me timbers! ….REGINA, Heart- gotta go!”
The second Emma rode into town he should have noticed his lack of heartbeat, which would indicate that he ‘felt’ a heartbeat the same as Emma did, he also said when Emma felt a heart beat “thats just the curse” ‘pretending’… I think thats the word he used, so he knew she’d feel a heart beating, just that it wasnt real- (otherwise he would have been at the doctors trying to figure out why he didnt have a heartbeat before wondering why he couldnt ‘feel’ lol)- remember it was only after reading Henry’s book that he knew the EQ had ripped it out & started saying he didnt have a heart & he wanted it back.surayyaParticipantYeah see to me Pinno & your average 7yr old child are 2 way different kettle of fish, Its not even worth comparing them in my eyes anymore- after all how many of today’s kids will be turned into an inanimate object (aka DEAD) if they are not honest, brave & unselfish???? Pinno is NOT a normal 7yr old – he has a major understanding of right from wrong, brave & cowardly, selfish & unselfish or he would have been turned into wood in FTL! He was expected to behave as an adult over here should- NOT a child.
surayyaParticipantPeople see what they EXPECT (& WANT) to see, end of story- If you believe in something you WILL SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO, no matter the truth, same as if you dont believe.
My comment on “Would you believe in Aliens?” was dead serious!
Why is it that that question would not be serious considering Emma is just meant to go “oh ok, cool, Everyone is from FTL, so am I & I have to save EVERYONE….Awesome!!!!” π – flip, I think I’d probably believe in aliens (there’s way more evidence out there than what Emma’s got to work with for FTL after all lol) before I believed in everyone in town really being FTL characters that I had to save & myself being an refugee FTL character to boot π π
At the end of the day its easy to sit at home in a chair & say how you would believe in that situation, right up until asked to believe in something like Aliens that is (its really the only example I can come up with outside of religion- which is too easy to offend with- so I’ll stick with Aliens lol)…perfect example here – how many videos are there of UFO’s etc online, how many witnesses, how many people who believe they have experienced ‘contact’— well these vids & accounts/experiences, could be & are considered proof, if you want to believe because you will see what you are looking for, HOWEVER if you dont believe, you will simply see something ‘normal’, find a reason for it or be able to explain it away……So who is right? Those that believe or those that dont? …It doesnt really matter if buying into either side means nothing more than believing it- its a VERY different kettle of fish tho, if believing means excepting you are responsible for the lives of an ENTIRE township of people, taking them to war/leading them into battle which will probably mean people you know & love dying.So Emma didnt see his wooden leg, there’s 3 possibilities there..
1 August is the only one who can see it…no matter who see’s his leg.
2 Emma doesnt want to see it, so she doesnt (August’s theory).
3 Curse hides it from sight of those not directly effected (ie Graham knowing he didn’t have heart, yet having a heart beat for others to feel & probably himself too, but him knowing it was just the curse masking his lack of a heart), so she couldnt see nor feel it even if she wanted to.Not one thing aside from Jeff falling from a window & disappearing off (which did get her going hmmm), would give anyone, any real reason to go ‘OH well that EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!! We are all from FTL, gosh why didnt I see that before!!!!’ π π
surayyaParticipant@celesstarr wrote:
Gepetto was afraid that if Pinnochio didn’t flee the dark curse he’d be turned back into wood as part of the curse.
Fleeing the curse would mean that Pinnochio would exist in a land where there is no magic.
Since magic is what turned Pinnochio into a real boy, wouldn’t existing in a land where there is no magic turn Pinnochio into wood anyway?
I think if the BF reasoned that to Gepetto, that could’ve opened up a second spot inside the enchanted tree.
And setting aside that reasoning, why would August be turning back into wood now? He was never part of the dark curse to begin with…
Oh Yes – one of many reasons Im disappointed with the way they handled the Pinno arc —a few fan theroies where way more bulletproof than the patch job they feed us π
@Clockwatcher wrote:
Well. think of it this way: Regina can still take out people’s hearts and crush them, etc., right? Which means that magic must exist. But maybe the only magic that will work in SB is magic that was enacted before the curse.
Or, maybe magic does exist in SB, and SB is like a world within a world (which it technically is). Maybe each character in SB actually has magic, but not the power to use it, because they don’t remember who they are, or the curse PREVENTS them from using magic, without really taking it away.Regina could only do that in FTL NOT SB- Grahams heart had to come here with Regina who possessed it as Graham was alive yet had no heart—she would have pulled Emma’s heart out instead of decking her after all LOL π
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