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I mean you can say everyone is welcome, but it doesn’t always feel that way. Obviously criticism of hook shouldn’t be avoided at all costs on the forum and I don’t think that’s even what most CSers were asking for. At some point fair criticism of Hook and now criticism of Emma got to be pretty negative and it felt to me a bit overwhelmingly so. At that point it stopped being fun to check in on this forum frequently. Also regarding the question about why wouldn’t you want to be labeled as anti-hook, obviously it is fine if as a poster you are, but please try to empathize and understand that’s not how everyone interprets hook’s character or the CS relationship. In my professional life I actually work in gender issues and addressing social norms around toxic masculinities. I manage research projects on combatting gender based violence, especially intimate partner violence. These are issues I care deeply about and I personally don’t interpret the CS relationship as a toxic relationship. Of course there are things you can find to be problematic, every ship on the show is problematic. I am not saying that the way you interpret their relationship is wrong, it’s just different from how I interpret it. We have had different lived experiences and OUAT is a TV show where we only see snipbits of these characters lives and there is lots of room for interpretation. Once upon a time is an escape for me, it’s a fun lighted hearted show with occasional terrible writing, but I got swept up in it and one of the main reasons I continue watching is because of the CS relationship. I enjoy posting about the show on forums, but on this forum at some point it felt the negativity around hook and emma wasn’t just about them but started to feel personal. I guess I would just like to see more empathy on the forum and more acknowledgment that we interpret the characters and ships differently and that doesn’t make us bad people. We are all OUAT fans afterall
And this is exactly what I have been saying for months now. And here’s a first hand experience of a CSer who felt the need to leave bc of all the constant negativity. Sure, everyone is welcome, but why would anybody stay if their favorite characters are being called selfish, a bully, making fun of disabled kids, etc. etc. constantly. But no, that’s not the forums fault…… Get real. I’m glad I could bring a couple people back here. Bc yes, I do think balance is important. Otherwise you only see the same views over and over again and you don’t challenge yourself to see things differently or how others see things. And what happens when you only see the same opinions over and over again? You get bias and a little ignorant. I get that there are plenty of forums that are dedicated for certain ships. But not here. You guys preach that everyone is welcome. Well if that’s the motto, then you need to be more open to characters you personally hate. Otherwise, people leave, and the forums become one-sided and extremely bias. And I honestly would be ok with hating on Hook and Emma all the time. If I felt they deserved it. But people on here have become so harsh against them that is becomes unbearable at times. They don’t even see the good things Hook does now bc they have inherently labeled him as a dirty pirate who corrupted Emma. #BRINGBACKTHEBALANCE
[adrotate group="5"]Anyway, hello fellow CSer it’s lovely to meet you virtually!!!
The pleasure is all mine! However I maintain I’m not a CSer haha. I just like Emma and I approve her relationship with Hook. But I also liked her with Neal.
Yeah it needs to be something else. It can’t be that she wants to turn storybook into whatever. It needs to be bigger than that. And also, the fact they she needed Zelena’s magic bc her’s is “unstable”….lols.
Maybe she simply created the Dark Curse as a way to break her banishment for good and let her live with her son? But she can’t sacrifice the heart of the thing she loves most because that’s Rumple and that would defeat the whole point.
If they make Black Fairy sympathetic, who will be the big bad down the stretch. Has to be blue then right? Oh man one time.
This makes it sound like Black Fairy isn’t all that bad after all. So does that mean Blue is the bad one? Oh man, one time. So happy they got Malcolm back. That’s so needed.
Overall: 7/10
Liked:
– Zelena choosing to give up her magic. That was good and it did tie into the flashback.
– I actually liked the crimson heart. Other than the magic taser, we haven’t really had an object that sucked the magic out of you. I thought the object tied well into Zelena’s story and her love for her power and herself. It makes me wonder if Rumple will do the same at some point. It seems like quite a powerful object to only have in one episode. Then again, we have a few very powerful objects in play right now: the wand that banished black fairy, the crimson heart, all the fairy dust.
– CS make out scene. It was a little much however these are scenes the show needs. I’d like to see scenes like this with Snowing too. And Rumbelle.
– Black Fairy continues to be good. I like the silly giggle she does now mimicking Rumple as the DO.
– The scene where Zelena knocks Black Fairy back but then her magic doesn’t do anything was very good.
– I enjoyed Snowing arguing over the venue. I see both sides and both sides have a point.
– I enjoy Black Fairy’s crystal ball that allows her to see things going on in storybrooke. I also like that Blue is important and Black is worried about her. Make Blue important!
Mixed:
– The flashbacks. While I did enjoy them and I liked the spin on the tin man, at the end of the day, they were irrelevant. And once Zelena gave up her magic, it sort of made the whole episode irrelevant bc it basically just reset it. Nothing changed after this episode. And the Black Fairy has to start from scratch.
– Sisters fighting. I get they are sisters and their relationship is a mess. But I mean, Regina forcing Zelena into a wall. Black Fairy taking out Regina and Zelena not giving a crap. Regina telling Zelena to go back to Oz. Like ouch. Zelena was just trying to get rid of the threat. Was she arrogant and wrong? Yes. Did she make a mistake? Yes. Does that warrant them banishing her to Oz? Good God no.
Disliked:
– The CGI. I actually thought it wasn’t very good. I thought the lion looked bad. The caves scenes were pretty awful. When Black Fairy shakes the roof of the cave and like two rocks fall and Zelena is like ducking for dear life as the Black Fairy runs away…lol.
– Why were they trapped in the caves? They can just poof out. The show forgets this sometimes and it annoys me. They wrote themselves into a corner with that one.
– Henry’s author powers. Why can’t he just write that Emma wins the final battle? What happened to the author having influence on the characters behavior? What, can you not influence the Savior’s behavior? Another corner they wrote themselves into.
– So all the fairy dust was just chilling down in the mines? The dwarves didn’t notice any of that? How convenient.
– Fairy dust can open portals to Oz now?
– So Blue is asleep? Just bc her magic is gone? Is this something that happens just to Fairies? Bc plenty of people have gotten their magic sucked out of them and they don’t fall asleep. AKA Zelena. AKA Tink.
– What on earth is Black Fairy’s motivation? Why does she want the final battle to happen? Is it simply to kill Emma. But what does killing Emma do for her? I need to know why she is doing what she is doing so her actions make more sense.
– Emma’s outfits have been horrendous. They are preparing us for an ugly wedding dress.
