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Darkonedearie do you ship swanfire? Or you enjoyed the sake of debate for the sake of debate?
I ship Emma Swan. I love her. I liked her with Neal and I like her with Hook. Whatever makes her happy! I think people on here are overly harsh toward Hook.
[adrotate group="5"]I say all this as I post in the Emma/Neal thread which at this point should be just titled the anti CS/OUAT thread. I’m sure if this was Emma/Neal “oh the story that was intended” cause that doesn’t reek of bitterness, you would be as “critique” as you are cause the story is CS.
Hahaha. They scared all the CS fans away! The conversations on here are great. It’s why I stay. But yeah….
Also, does anyone else feel like this episode might be a giant waste of time?
This. So coming from someone who actually enjoyed the last episode and felt a lot happened in it (Snowing curse broken, Hook getting home), this one seems like it could be filler. At first I thought maybe this was going to be Zelena’s send off episode but I don’t think that’s happening anymore.
Do you guys think the circumstances for the singing will come about in the episode coming up or do you think it will be something that will be established at the start of that episode. Since we know the next episode is Zelena/Oz centric I think it may be possible we will see a hint at what’s going to make everyone sing.
I so badly want something established before the actual episode. But I mean, come on, when do we ever get that?
By no means do I watch Emma now and think she looks miserable. Has her priorities shifted a bit, yup. But that happens to anyone who falls in love. Emma is not the same person as she once was. But she has never doubted her love for Hook, and she is very happy whenever she is around him (for the most part) and she’s miserable when he is away in the UW or off in Neverland (of course it would be nice to see them or any other characters just relaxing and watching netflix once in awhile). I just don’t understand how you can look at their relationship and say she isn’t happy. Do they have some issues? Sure, of course they do. So does every couple. But as an Emma fan, it makes me want to root for them, and to fix their issues bc you can see they both really love each other.
Everyone is worried about him and by the time he comes back, all is forgotten and forgiven. In my opinion, it is just lazy writing, leading to an unearned and an unsatisfying conclusion to this storyline.
I agree the story line that Hook killed Charming’s dad ended up being extremely disappointing and everything you said is valid and likely why they sent Hook away.
Has he made good decisions in season 6, yes but that does not make up for all the absolutely horrible ones he has made in the past.
I never said it makes up for his past actions. But you can’t change all in one night. It’s clear that over the last two seasons, the decisions he is making and his behavior is that of someone trying to reform himself into a better person. You have disregarded all of that and called him a bully (still right now) who makes fun of special needs kids. That’s completely disregarding all of the good things he has done in the past two years. That’s all I’m saying. You can’t sit there and say he’s the same person as he was back in the Milah days. And yes he definitely has some fault with how that was handled. I thought both characters handled it poorly. Rumple ditched the war. Coward. Loss the respect of his wife. Milah left him and her son Bae. Coward. Like that was awful on her part. Hook, seeing she was vulnerable and could take advantage of a weak Rumple, took Milah for his own. Bad. But, Milah sort of let him. Bad. Then as the DO, now being the one who has more power than Hook, does the same thing Hook did. He uses his power to bully the ones with less power. He kills Milah, bad. Hook did love Milah so yes he does have to apologize to Hook for that. And then chops off Hook’s hand. Bad again. How can you say that both were not at fault here? Honestly all three of them made poor choices. But you’re excusing Rumple’s behavior and not Hook’s. There’s a huge double standard here. And again, I love Rumple. More than Hook. But still.
He did it AFTER he was caught, AFTER he tried to run away. The circumstances that lead to this apology were not of his doing, had Hook had his way, he would have wiped his memories and buried his crime for the rest of his life.[
/quote] And this is exactly what he apologized for. Yes, he should be criticized for trying to do what he initially planned on doing. But we should also praise someone when they realize it was the wrong decision and was able to apologize and come clean.
Sure. He’s not a womanizer anymore, i guess. But selfish? Liar? Drunkard? Mmmm.
Wow, simply wow. The grudges on here are just astounding. He lied about killing Charming’s father. That’s not the same as being a liar in general. That was a big thing ad he didn’t know how to handle it. A drunkard? When has Hook been wasted and not giving a crap in the last two seasons? Selfish? He puts Emma first all the time. He saved Belle. He saved Henry. He gave Belle lodging. He saved Rumple and killed Jekyll and Hyde for the town. He stopped Charming from killing King George. He helped Charming try and find out the story about his father. What about all these things? You just ignore them? Is he being selfish? Stop naming past qualities he used to possess. You’re not giving Hook a fair shot at all. He has absolutely changed. If you want to say he hasn’t had to suffer the repercussions others like Regina has had to endure, that is absolutely correct. He hasn’t. But to still call him a selfish, lying, drunk is just holding a grudge at this point.
You are conveniently forgetting all the horrible things Rumple has done and only listing all the bad things Hook has done. To say that Rumple is only defensive is insane. I don;t have the will power to list all the things he has done on this show. Hook saved Henry and saved Belle and Rumple this season. No props for that?
And as far as Milah goes, Milah basically willingly left and their marriage was rocky ever since he avoid the war. It’s not like Hook stole her from him. She was done with Rumple. I thought that was pretty obvious. To say that’s completely Hook’s fault is ridiculous. And then to say that justifies Rumple behavior of cutting off Hook’s hand and then killing Milah when he realized she loved Hook and not him…..I mean come on.
