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Well then I guess you don’t fit into what I am saying. I am not talking about Emma fans I am talking about CS fans and I believe I made that very clear.
Chrystal clear. However, while I may not be a CS fan per say, I enjoy them together, just as I enjoyed Neal and Emma together. But I do fit into what you’re saying bc I like Emma with Hook bc I like Emma and want her to be happy. And I don’t fit into your “demographics.” So yes, it’s relevant bc you aren’t including the fans like me who just like Emma and are completely ok with her being with Neal or Hook.
What is wrong with demographic labels? I think it helps us understand the audience and why they may prefer something over another. If you are a certain age then you are a certain age, if you look for intelligence over looks then that is what you look for. I am basically saying that I would be interested in looking at the demographic markers for each character or ship and seeing what if anything they have in common.
I was talking about labeling SF fans as people who value intelligence and labeling CS fans as people who value looks. You implied this and that’s not fair nor is it accurate.
Oh I don’t know how about when he made a crippled and powerless Rumple try and duel him on his ship. How about when he shoved a homeless beggar (disguised Rumple) to the ground because he thought it was funny. This is exactly what I was saying non CS shipper, you can’t even see that he was a bully who bullied Rumple?
Grudge. This was years ago. Do you hold Regina’s past against her? She slaughtered a village. And don’t say Regina has changed but Hook hasn’t. The fact that he has changed is now canon (Charming has said it multiple times now) and if you don’t recognize this, you have a grudge that you aren’t letting go.
Well I guess when Hook apologizes to Rumple we will see, I see Hook as someone who has apologized to only Belle for his past behaviors (and as I have said before I think part of this is him sticking it to Rumple). Has he apologized to anyone else? Maybe if we saw Hook actually trying to make amends for all his bad deeds then okay, but also like I have said before his bad deeds get swept under the rug with no real redemption. I mean lets’ face it it was only last season that he tried to kill the whole town and told Rumple that he would have given Milah back “dirty”
Rewatch the last two seasons. He has change and apologized to many people.
am not going to say that I was not a SF fan because I definitely preferred that ship to CS but it is not as has never been my main character ship. So to answer this statement you are wrong I am being harsh to Hook becasue I don’t think they have tried to redeem him as they should. He has not apologized to anyone other than Belle. You can’t base your entire character redemption off of only this paltry relationship which by the way also hurts Rumple which is part of the reason I feel he has befriended Belle. When Hook apologizes to Rumple, Regina, and even Snow then we will see until then yes I think he is still a bully who given the chance would bully those weaker than him. As for him being good for the last two seasons? Was he not the dark one is season 5 and was he not horrible.
Let me finish by saying Rumple is one of my favorite characters on the show. But Hook deserves just as much an apology from Rumple as Rumple deserves from Hook. After all, Rumple did kill Milah (whom Hook loved) right in front of him and then chopped off his hand. He’s the reason he is Hook. It’s a two way street. And again, Hook has apologized to plenty of people and has been on this path of redemption for two seasons now.
HIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Charming doesnt even care tht he killed his father. Neither Charming nor Emma nor anyone cares that Hook tried to hide the fact and lied to them, and now everyone is gearing up for a wedding!!!! There are no reprecussions for ANYTHING when it comes to Hook.
True or false. Hook apologized to Emma for thinking about leaving and apologized for trying to wipe his memories. Then apologized to Charming. TRUE. The fact that the show dismissed it without any repercussions is not Hook’s fault as a character. HE DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO IN THE END.
People act like we just pick on this character and then ignore the show is literally doing the thing we hate about him RIGHT NOW.
I’m sorry but you guys pick on Hook the most. Emma is a close second. Followed by Rumple. Which is fine, but let’s not just blatantly ignore the fact that he is not the same person he was when they introduced Hook to us.
[adrotate group="5"]Another thing that bothers me is that in order to make everything work with season 1 continuity (as I see it, they ruined its mythos, not its continuity), the flashbacks were basically pointless, Snow and Charming remembered, stuff happened, snow and charming forget. They didn’t even explore what the characters felt about this present day and they treat it as if it’s no big deal, Emma didn’t have any reaction to the fact that her parents could have been with her when she was 10! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HUGE DEAL (this revelation would have been too late as well, but that’s what happens when you write something without planning ahead). Emma doesn’t react to anything when it is not about Hook. Another instance is in the previous episode Henry went through some weird Author magic and the writers didn’t think it was important enough to let Emma know about this. Anyway, the only purpose of the flashbacks is to introduce this flower which could have been done without ruining season 1 mythos.
I can buy this way more than what other people are saying. If this was planned out better and fleshed out more over a period of episodes, it wouldn’t feel rushed (Tiger Lily), or pointless (flashbacks). So yeah, I can get that.
Oh man, at the risk of getting annihilated on here I will tread cautiously….
I think you have two fans of OUAT, Captain Swan fans and everyone else. I think everyone else sees their relationship as dysfunctional and boring while CS fans see it as romantic. I think the CS fans are very loud and tend to make excuses for their characters. They tend not to analyze or accept character flaws while everyone else sees and accepts that their favorite characters are flawed.
Well I am not a CS fan. And I’m not a SF fan. I am an Emma fan and I’m a fan of whomever she feels she loves. So this is not correct as I also have many other friends who watch the show and feel the same way. And as far as making excuses, I could say the same about SF fans. Both sides do it.
I also believe it is due to the demographics of the fans. I would love to see a survey on the typical CS fan, I would guess they are typically part of the younger audience (15-25) while Rumbelle fans are your 25-50. I am not sure and would love to see the demographic breakdown.
Well, I happen to not to be in this age demographic, but I also am not a CS fan. Sooo…again idk. You are labeling and I hate labels. It is possible that fans find CS more compelling simply bc they enjoy the characters and not necessarily that Hook is a handsome bad boy. It is possible, I know. I find Hook compelling. There I said it.
I am unsure of the education breakdown either but I personally value intelligence over attractiveness and I would assume most Rumbelle fans are the same.
Now I’m hoping you don’t mean education breakdown regarding fans of the show and who they find more compelling based on intelligence and education level. Bc that would be disturbing and insulting. If you mean whether fans value looks more over intelligence, than ok. However, while you can say that Rumple isn’t as good looking Hook, he’s not ugly as Mr. Gold. And you also can’t say that Hook is dumb. It’s not as black and white as you are portraying it. Hook isn’t dumb and Rumple isn’t ugly.
I see Hook as a bully, a typical high school jerk who goes around picking on special needs kids not because he does not like himself but because they are weaker than he is and therefore don’t measure up to his standards.
And where does this come from exactly? Sure, he was drunken pirate before. But now? You still feel like he’s a bully in high school? Picking on special needs kids? And even if that was true, all the bullies that clearly bullied you back in the day, are they not redeemable? Can’t they change like Hook has? Do you really think they are just useless and incapable of turning their life around? I personally know someone in high school who was a horrible bully. Now, he’s turned everything around. Apologized to everyone, and is a genuinely nice guy. And we have all seen Hook’s change, so honestly if you still feel like he’s the bully from high school who picks on special needs kids and that’s why you don’t like him, well then you are seriously holding a grudge. And I can’t help but think that if Emma was still with Neal, you wouldn’t still feel this harsh about Hook. And I hate to bring that up on here, but you make it so easy with this hate about a character who has been good for over two seasons.
And I just didn’t have as much of a problem with this ads everyone else did. Yup, it was a giant retcon. But sometimes retcons aren’t bad. It didn’t affect season 1 for me at all. So they woke up briefly. Big whoop. It gave us meaty dialogue and great character moments in the episode. How they woke up is another story. That was dumb. The flower was just dumb in general. But I have zero problem with them waking up during the dark curse and us not knowing about it until now. And Snowing’s true love is like the epitome of true love. They have said it’s basically the strongest. So the fact that their true love was able to wake just them up, isn’t a problem for me. They still needed the Savior to break the curse and wake everyone else up.
It is a good message but the writers keep forgetting that Snowing have another baby. So yeah, mixed signals for sure.
Well that’s what it is. It’s annoying that the writers forget that Snow has another child to worry about. But the message is strong and has nothing to do with Hook or Emma. So people need to stop with that. It’s the writers making Snow looks bad bc she has a son.
I thought TIGER LILY ran in a different direction when HOOK & EMMA went through the door. I was under the impression she had her own agenda … maybe she wanted to go back to her people…………. Why would she want to go thru a door where she knows / has said their was a great evil and a war was going to begin?
That’s how I saw it as well. But nope, let’s Hook bash instead. It does come so naturally after all.
–Emma was always the Savior. She didn’t need to be 28; that’s just when she came to town. She was born the Savior because she was born of Snow White and Prince Charming and because of Rumple’s machinations. It was not because she was “of age.” That is nonsense.
Well Rumple prophesied she would return on her 28th birthday. So that was always going to happen.
Hook needs to come back to Storybrooke more than Snowing need to wake up and not fall into a forever-coma? Like, seriously? Someone rationalize that for me.
Snowing wanted their daughter to live happily ever after with her true love, like they did for years. It was them sacrificing their happiness for their daughters’ once again. Not sure why that needs rationalizing for you.
Charming and Hook have three lines about Hook killing Charming’s father and everything is now a-okay! Swell!
Yeah this irked me as well.
Ok Overall: 7/10. I liked it way more than all of you.
Liked:
– Seeing Emma as child and watching Snow and Charming have to make the tough decision to not go after her in order to save the entire town.
– Banter between Rumple and Charming. Felt like Season 1 and then Rumple remembering when Charming said “Emma.”
– Banter between Rumple and Black Fairy. Juicy stuff.
– Rumple knowing that Black Fairy had Gideon’s heart. Many of you were annoyed that Rumple couldn’t detect that, and here he did, so you guys should be praising the show a bit here.
– Gideon leaving one flower for them to use. It shows he can fight it and that he wants to rid himself of his mother.
– Tiger Lily and the ripping of Hook’s shadow. Yeah, loved this. So Hook’s shadow gave Emma a wand that banished the Black Fairy all these years ago? Is that right? How on Earth did Tiger Lily get it. And she was responsible for Black Fairy going down a path of darkness? Was she her best friend? Hmm…
Mixed:
– Charming and Snow were awake at one point during the curse. Ok, yes this is a big retcon, so that’s annoying. But, I didn’t actually hate it. I thought it created some juicy dialogue and great character moments and everything that Snowing did when they woke up, was completely in character, same with Rumple, and Regina for that matter. For me, it doesn’t ruin anything in season 1 for me. The fact that they woke up for a small amount of time has no bearing on the rest of that season. All it does is show that Snowing once again sacrificed their happiness and now their daughter’s own happiness to save an entire town of friends and family.
– Hook and Charming talk. Ok, so Hook wants to tell Charming. Good. He apologizes for even thinking of leaving and destroying his memories. Good. Charming accepts his apology and, forgives him, and declares it was all in the past and that he knows he’s a changed man. Good. But the fact this conversation lasted a whole 2 secs is so annoying. A more reasonable conversation would have had Charming been more upset at first and then slowly over time forgiving Hook. It seems a little unrealistic that after the struggle he went through trying to find out the truth about his father that he would just so easily forgive Hook and forget about it.
Disliked:
– The macguffin flower.
– Still not knowing Black Fairy’s motivation and her plan. “When the darkness comes”…..huh?
– The end scene with everyone drinking the sleeping potion. Like what? How was it even in a liquid form? Did I miss something? It’s cute that all the town people did that for them, but what, so now is everyone just drowsy all the time? What a cop out to fixing a sleeping curse.
Prophesy can be fun, if done right. It reminds me of seasons two and three when Rumple debated whether the boy who would be his undoing would be Henry, but it might really have been Peter Pan. Now, I wonder if it could be Gideon. LOL!
To me, that was like one of the best parts of the Pan story. But it sort of got thrown to the side and so I’ve always wondered if it was still in play.
I actually really like Gideon as a character. They have done a good job with him and the actor did a great job last episode. If the show had more time, I would be down to see Emma and Gideon together. And that’s saying how much I like Gideon considering how I don’t have a problem with Hook.
