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I think I understand medchen 😀 Neal’s scene was different because it was set in the “real world” as oppose to Storybrooke. Right now we are seeing fairy tale characters from a world with their own set of rules. It will be interesting to see how much of the real world comes into play as the series goes on. You’re bang on about a story within a story with a story. First story is the Enchanted Forest where everyone is already scripted. Second story is Reggie’s cursed world of Storybrook where she has scripted everyone. Third story is Storybrook, post curse, meshing with the real world and what’s left of the Enchanted Forest. Here, everyone has free will. It’s a new story, a blank page, where everyone gets to write their own story.
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Phee brought up another interesting point in another thread. In the Canadian promo for 2×11, we see Barrett’s car losing control as it crosses over the SB town line. Hook seems to be on top of it and is flung off. Talk about sweet revenge if Barrett is PP and his first order of business, when driving into town, is to take out Hook with his car! 😆
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@Phee wrote:
@AntBee wrote:
However, Barrett being Peter Pan is my second favorite Barrett theory because Ethan Embry looks so much like what I picture an adult Peter Pan to look like. Also, if they don’t kill/banish Hook by next season, I could see Barrett clashing with Hook.
Was just posting in the promo thread before about how I’m thinking it’s Hook that gets hit by Barrett’s car, based on who we’ve seen out in the forest in snippets thus far. It’d be sorta perfect if Peter Pan’s first order of business as he came barreling into town was to smash into Hook.
Much as I love the idea that Nealfire was Peter Pan, the theory of Barrett being Peter has been growing on me too. I just hope that if he is, that Nealfire was still a Lost Boy.
Oh Phee! Love that idea! Payback for PP! LOL! Hard to let go of something we’ve been on since last winter, isn’t it? At least half of our theory panned out in relation to Nealfire. Like you, I’m warming up to Barrett being PP. Makes sense, as he’ll be in a coma for the rest of the season and we won’t be seeing PP til next season. Besides, the name Barrett seems to be a dead giveaway.
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Yes, big congrats to those that called that one. I’m so out of touch with casting calls/interviews/pics etc., I’m going to have to some homework now! 😉 😆 I’m so looking forward to that story! Bailee Madison is such a cutie. I’m sure she’ll be doing a lot of scene stealing throughout the episode. 😀
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@Hellraiser-89 wrote:
As for the whole debate here about Regina being evil, which I have admittedly not read through that throughly, it’s funny how everyone’s quick to say she’s bad for Henry and she’s dangerous to him and so on.
HR, the debate was never about how evil Reggie was. The debate came about because a couple of people were slamming Emma hard for stepping up to the plate and taking a stand against Reggie. Real life comparisons between adoptive parents/foster parents were being used whereas I don’t believe they should as this isn’t real life, it’s a fantasy show. I mean seriously, we have an Evil Queen who is responsible for murdering numerous people, who brokered a baby through Rumplestiltskin and who enacted the dark curse and we’re suppose to compare her to a real life adoptive mom? She’s the Evil Queen! 😆 😆 😆
What I keep trying to say is let’s leave the real world out of this. It’s suppose to be a fantasy story. Let’s have fun theorizing and waiting to see what comes next but for goodness sake, let’s be rational & sensible here. We can’t bash characters based on what happens in the real world when SB and FTL isn’t anything like it nor do either play by the same laws or rules. Come on now, we are talking about a town where Dr. Frankenstein resides and practices medicine, Ruby the werewolf works at the local diner, Maleficent, the evil sorceress, resides beneath the town library and we’ve got a live wooden puppet hiding out somewhere. Let’s get some perspective here and leave the heavy “real life” stuff out of the equation.
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I’m having a difficult time understanding how everyone can be so up in arms about Emma saying to Reggie “he’s not your son”. Was there anything true or honourable about how Henry’s adoption came about? Would Emma have ever ended up in our world, alone and pregnant, had there not been a curse? Would Henry have gone through 10 years of his life not knowing his real mother and grandparents had there been a curse? Of course not!
I love Reggie! My heart broke for her last night during many scenes and I sincerely hope she ends up fully redeemed and is embraced by all of SB. However, I’m still rational enough, amid all the emotional stuff, to realize that she brought it all upon herself. She is like the boy who cried wolf. Her actions and past behaviour have caught up to her one too many times. She manipulated all of them for decades. So how on earth can Emma be criticized for saying what she said and finally stepping up to the plate and protecting Henry?
How about a little perspective here and let’s distinguish between what happens out in the real world versus what happens in the fantasy land of Storybrooke and the Enchanted Forest. She’s the Evil Queen who snatched Snow White’s grandson, a boy that never belonged to her. I can’t put it any plainer that that. And because it’s fantasy, I’m sure Reggie will eventually have her happy ending but for now, she’s suffering the consequences of all her past behaviour.
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Are we really going to try to compare this adoption to a real life situation? Seriously, we are talking about the Evil Queen adopting Snow White’s grandson. Somehow, I don’t think real life adoption rules and regulations come into play here. It’s a fantasy show and not meant to be taken so seriously. Because it’s fantasy, real world rules just don’t apply. You simply can’t compare real life adoption or fostering situations to this at all. We’ve got the Evil Queen, who murdered Snow’s father, murdered her own father, tried and thought she successfully murdered her mother, murdered countless others throughout the years, murdered Graham, nearly murdered Henry, and we’ve got people rallying for her saying how dare Emma assume she’s got no parental rights? Seriously? 😆
Are we really willing to forget mommy dearest’s baking activities that landed her adoptive son in the hospital, at death’s door? I think any rights were long done after that shinning moment of motherhood.
Emma tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. Emma reached out on Henry’s behalf. Emma saw the vision of her chocking the life out of yet another victim and said enough was enough! Ever think that perhaps Emma instinctively knew that what she was seeing was her own vision due to her own magic thus the vision could be trusted? Emma, Snow, Charming, and the others, don’t have the benefit of seeing what the viewers do.
I want to see Reggie redeemed. Lana continues to floor me with the depths of her performances. We go from feeling so sorry for her as Reggie, to hating her as EQ, back to feeling so heartbroken for her as Reggie.
In the end, it’s all make believe. I can’t put any weight into whether they are following appropriate adoption laws when I see the Queen of Hearts, standing by an invisible ship, alongside Captain Hook and turning a man into a fish. Fantasy.
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@myril wrote:
Mostly agree with Snow and Charming being bad rulers of their kingdom. Not being able to harm them didn’t mean, that Regina couldn’t still have tried to pay back by harming everybody else they love or care about (so pretty much everybody else, as ruler they should care about their people). At best it was naiv, maybe hoping, that if they were protected, Regina wouldn’t dare to attack anyone else to get back on them, after all they could have gone after her again if. Well, good people sometimes lack the imagination what evil people are capable of (and I say so despite that I think, that no one is all good or all evil, but indeed mostly good people sometimes seem to lack what one might call evil creativity and imagination, they may just don’t want to believe, that anyone is capable of some things).
Again, I see things somewhat differently. Snow, as a young girl, was quite in awe of Reggie. She truly loved her and looked up to her. It was only after Snow became an adult and Reggie murdered her father that she saw that evil side to her. Thus, she was torn between love (for Reggie) and hate (for EQ) all throughout their FTL relationship.
I see both her and Charming as kind, just and righteous rulers. They believe in the goodness of all people. Now Charming was ready to execute EQ However, seeing as there were such strong emotional ties between Snow & EQ, it wasn’t as easy for Snow. She knew the kind gentle young Reggie. This wasn’t some stranger that was an enemy of the state. It was her step mother, one she had loved for well over a decade. Can’t even begin to imagine the torment she must have gone through.
I’m sure they believed in having her banished she would no longer pose any threat to them or the kingdom. I’d rather someone error on the side of right then wrong. They made a mistake, it happens. Doesn’t mean that they weren’t strong, kind and fair rulers.
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@EvilQueen wrote:
Another thing – did Cora save Pongo on purpose? Could she have imagined he would be used to help frame Regina? Does she know Rumple so well that she knows his methods? For example, instead of paralyzing the dog, she could’ve let him keep on barking so that the people around would be more alarmed and surely some witness would’ve noticed Regina/Cora leaving?
Letting Pongo bark would only draw attention and risk being captured. She didn’t want to get caught. If the plan was for everyone to think Reggie had done it so that Reggie would break then getting caught would have ruined that. The gig would have been up when there were two Reggies. She wanted the clean getaway with Reggie being hauled in after the fact.
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