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@MellieMD wrote:
I think the Oz nods were more to make an allusion to Oz throughout the episode. The whole thing was Regina trying to get back the thing she loves, making her a stand-in Dorothy. And she goes along with the ‘scarecrow’ (The man who lost his mind: Jefferson), the ‘cowardly lion’ (The man who lacked courage: Rumpel) and the ‘tinman’ (The man in search of a heart, Victor) but there was no wizard to be found, as much as she willed it, and instead the events released the evil that she “had inside her all along”. So it was a misdirect, it was a possible foreshadowing for future uses of Oz, but it was also an episode-sized allusion to a favourite classic.
I like that train of thought Mellie 💡
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@Faux Pax wrote:
Which is also why I can’t fully ship HookxSwan. If SwanFire is canon, then Bae should get the girl in the end.
Not t mention that it would be kind of creepy for him to have his baby mama dateing his Mom’s ex…and here i though Springer had gone OFF the air. 😆
Come on, they’re just trying to keep it in the family, the big dysfunctional family
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I’d like to see the North Wind. One of my favourite books growing up was At the Back of the North Wind by George MacDonald. It was the story of a little boy named Diamond and his relationship with the North Wind who disguised herself as a beautiful woman & would visit him in this little room above the stables. Sad story and it made me cry as a child. George MacDonald also wrote classics like The Princess and the Goblin, The Light Princess, Curdie and the Princess, etc. That’s where I took my name from, his book The Golden Key.
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I posted this on another thread by thought I’d post it here as well. My thoughts regarding Dr. Frankie being the Wizard of Oz. There just does not seem to be any clues or connections leading us down that yellow brick road. Yes, we saw plenty of nods (Crystal ball/orb, rubbie slippers, Jefferson saying “Off we shall go to find him” (inferring the Wizard) as they walk down a long tiled walkway (yellow brick road). However, in my humble opinion, they were using all the OZ nods to throw everyone off track. It was only a ruse, a ploy, a red herring to keep us guessing whether he was Dr. Frankie or the Great Oz himself. OUAT was disappointed that the network let the cat out of the bag regarding Dr. Whale’s identity with the promos. Prior to this, the popular guess was the Wizard. Remember how they did the same thing with August’s identity? Kept giving us clues to both Bae and Pino. One was a red herring purposely put out there just as the Wizard of Oz was on Sunday. What further substantiates this is a look at the recent K&H podcast. How did they describe Dr. Whale? A good time kind of guy who likes to spend time with the ladies. How did they describe Dr. Frankie? A serious workaholic who is very discipline. Does this sound like the Wizard of Oz? I don’t think so as he was really a bumbling circus performer. We see Dr. Frankie drawing a flower in black & white though the flower itself is vibrant with colour. They said Dr. Frankie comes from a world without colour and titled the end of the script as such long ago. Could Dr. Frankie even see the flower’s colour? They also stated their favourite part of the episode was the end scene and they reveal where he is called Dr. Frankenstein. Note the key word “reveal” leading us to believe that we were to continue guessing between WofOz and Dr. Frankie, right up until the end. We see the the background, to this castle, dark dismal and gray, surrounding by eerie looking mountains. The castle, filled with dark electrical things, again all black & white, the only thing shining through is a red heart. Does this sound like the world of OZ? I don’t think so. We see his brother, the monster, come alive. We see his hand, ghoulish and gruesome looking, a patchwork of skin all stitched together, with long slimy fingers and horrid looking nails. Does this look like the Tin Woodman or Scarescrow from OZ? I don’t think so. Sounds more like a world from a 1930’s, black & white horror film. All in all, I just don’t see the connection. I see nods to OZ as we all know it will be coming up eventually, I see the red herring, but I don’t see Victor Frankenstein or his world filling the shoes of the Great and Powerful OZ or the Emerald City. If anyone can show me legitimate connections between the two, then please, by all means as I would love to hear them.
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Thoughts regarding Dr. Frankie being the Wizard of Oz. There just does not seem to be any clues or connections leading us down that yellow brick road. Yes, we saw plenty of nods (Crystal ball/orb, rubbie slippers, Jefferson saying “Off we shall go to find him” (inferring the Wizard) as they walk down a long tiled walkway (yellow brick road). However, in my humble opinion, they were using all the OZ nods to throw everyone off track. It was only a ruse, a ploy, a red herring to keep us guessing whether he was Dr. Frankie or the Great Oz himself. OUAT was disappointed that the network let the cat out of the bag regarding Dr. Whale’s identity with the promos. Prior to this, the popular guess was the Wizard. Remember how they did the same thing with August’s identity? Kept giving us clues to both Bae and Pino. One was a red herring purposely put out there just as the Wizard of Oz was on Sunday. What further substantiates this is a look at the recent K&H podcast. How did they describe Dr. Whale? A good time kind of guy who likes to spend time with the ladies. How did they describe Dr. Frankie? A serious workaholic who is very discipline. Does this sound like the Wizard of Oz? I don’t think so as he was really a bumbling circus performer. We see Dr. Frankie drawing a flower in black & white though the flower itself is vibrant with colour. They said Dr. Frankie comes from a world without colour and titled the end of the script as such long ago. Could Dr. Frankie even see the flower’s colour? They also stated their favourite part of the episode was the end scene and they reveal where he is called Dr. Frankenstein. Note the key word “reveal” leading us to believe that we were to continue guessing between WofOz and Dr. Frankie, right up until the end. We see the the background, to this castle, dark dismal and gray, surrounding by eerie looking mountains. The castle, filled with dark electrical things, again all black & white, the only thing shining through is a red heart. Does this sound like the world of OZ? I don’t think so. We see his brother, the monster, come alive. We see his hand, ghoulish and gruesome looking, a patchwork of skin all stitched together, with long slimy fingers and horrid looking nails. Does this look like the Tin Woodman or Scarescrow from OZ? I don’t think so. Sounds more like a world from a 1930’s, black & white horror film. All in all, I just don’t see the connection. I see nods to OZ as we all know it will be coming up eventually, I see the red herring, but I don’t see Victor Frankenstein or his world filling the shoes of the Great and Powerful OZ or the Emerald City. If anyone can show me legitimate connections between the two, then please, by all means as I would love to hear them.
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@AntBee wrote:
@ceege wrote:
(Just feeling silly this morning because of the big news from last night 😆 )
:lol:, I was wondering how soon they were going to incorporate Star Wars too after the big news last night.
Ok, so I’ve been a little under the weather due to the storm (basement flooding…sigh….) and haven’t been up to date. If someone could tell me the big news, I’d sure appreciate it 🙂
Addendum: It’s ok, just found out. Disney bought the Lucas’ films. 😀
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The Wolfman and Frankenstein have appeared together in various movies. They are enemies. Perhaps Dr. Whale felt drawn to her because of that connection.
I also think it’s a possibility that werewolves may have originated in Dr. Whale’s world and migrated to FTL. Maybe his world is Transylvania, where we’ll see Dracula, who was shown in may horror movies controlling the Frankenstein monster. Dracula is after all, considered the Prince of Darkness. Victor’s Prince?
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@Phee wrote:
YES, I just saw your posts about this in the other part of the forum and rushed right over to say HOLY CRAP they could totally be brothers!! Maybe Victor’s brother ended up getting away from their homeland, and Victor won’t have to go find him, coz he’s gonna come to SB instead?
Maybe he’s the one that kills a Storybrooke resident where Ruby gets blamed.
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@Phee wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
While I think this is a very interesting theory, one major thing doesn’t make much sense. Dracula was a vampire, and was therefore immortal. We know that Victor’s brother was dead, because he needed a magical heart to bring him back to life. Dracula, a powerful vampire, wouldn’t need to be brought back to life as Frankenstein’s monster, because a vampire can live eternally as an “undead” creature. Dracula wouldn’t be a corpse in need of an electric jolt and a magical heart.
That’s a fair point.
PS. EGAD that resemblance is uncanny! 😮
It really is! A friend sent it to me this morning.
Re: his brother. I’ve posted before that possibly Whale’s world is Transylvania. Dracula was known as the Prince of Darkness. In many movies, that featured Dracula, Frankenstein & the Wolfman, Dracula always controlled Frankie. As well, maybe that’s where werewolves originated from and they made their way to the Enchanted Forest. Werewolves were quite often depicted as Gypsies that traveled throughout European countries. Maybe Victor’s brother was a werewolf (personally, I don’t think so).
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@MellieMD wrote:
I have no idea if anyone has posted this yet… But I’m watching the live-action “Hook” right now… And their Peter Pan (Robin Williams) totally drops his phone out a window, like Neal does in the opening scene in Broken.
Good Cath Mellie, but yes, it has been mentioned. I also wonder if his phone is not a T-Mobile Shadow model. Peter Pan did after all, lose his shadow when it got caught in Wendy’s window.
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