September 18, 2012 at 1:42 pm #134875
The motivation for J.M. Barrie writing Peter Pan was the death of his 13 year old brother. His brother died 2 days before his 14th birthday. Note that Bae was 14 when he disappeared.
Barrie called Peter and the children of Neverland `lost boys`. This was in reference to parents that had lost children to death, as his mother had. Note that Rumples ALWAYS refers to Bae as being `lost`.
Peter Pan and the other lost boys were caught between two worlds. Life & death. Note that Bae is caught between two worlds, magic & real world.
Bealfire’s childhood friend was named Morraine. There is a book series called The Wheel of Time. In it, one of the heroines name is Moraine and she wields a powerful magic called Balefire. Balefire power is that it can undo actions of the past. In LOST the writers referenced the series with the frozen wheel of time, hidden beneath the Island. This wheel allowed the Island to change locations.
In the Movie Hook, Peter leaves Neverland for Moira, Wendy’s grand-daughter. Another connection to the name Morraine.
The Blue Fairy instructs Bae to follow the magic bean wherever it leads him. This leads us to believe that he went to at least one other world before reaching ours.
Robert Carlyle has admitted that Rumples is several centuries old. So timeline for Bae going missing is many centuries as well, as he went through the vortex when Rumples first took power. The 1st and 2nd Ogre Wars also show us that time frame. This was long before Snow, PC, EQ, Gepetto, Jiminy, etc. So, considering that Bae is several centuries old, it would make sense if he landed in Neverland and remained 14 prior to coming to the real world.
Peter Pan would travel to the real world and bring children back to Neverland. Emma was an orphan, living in an orphanage. What if Peter traveled there looking for `lost boys` or another Mother for the Lost Boys like Wendy. Bae had a friend Morraine back in FTL. I believe a young Emma would have resembled Morraine in many ways. Perhaps Peter became quite taken with Emma and decided to stay. Perhaps Emma convinced him to stay, just as Wendy attempted to do in the original story. Perhaps he ended up in that same orphanage from 14 on, developed a friendship in their late teens or early 20’s. That could also bring into play the possibility of Bae, aka Peter Pan, being Henry`s father.
We now have Captain Hook in SB. K&H also stated that we would find out about Bae this season as we would about Henry`s father. Funny how they have brought Michael Raymond-James in, with a recurring role, and have been so secretive about his character. Let`s not forget how uncanny his resemblance is to Dylan Schmid, young Baelfire.
There are also too many similarities between Bae’s story and Peter’s. Bae lost his mother to Hook. Peter had no mother and tried to get Wendy to be mother to him and the Lost Boys. Who other than Rumple would want to avenge Milha’s desertion? Bae of course. Too many connections between the two stories. Rumple was going to use that missing magic bean to follow Bae but Hook used it instead. Makes sense that he would follow Bae’s path and that first stop for Bae was Neverland.
The Blue Fairy also talked about other Magic Beans that have gone missing. Hook & Milha’s story took place long before Rumple became the Dark One. Who’s to say that Hook or Milha didn’t take a bean that led them to Neverlan.
Recent spoilers have only convinced more. In an issue of TV Guide, Josh Dallas says this about Emma & Henry’s father: “there is a certain percentage of this man that Emma knows, and a certain part that she doesn’t. She had some sort of relationship with him, but there is an element of surprise for Emma as to the fullness of who this man is.” This would follow my theory of Peter Pan showing up at Emma’s orphanage at 14 and remaining for a number of years. She knows him as an adolescent/young adult from the orphanage but has no idea of his Fairy Tale character.
We now know that the mysterious man in New York City is named Neal Cassady. Neal Cassady is well known as the character Dean Moriarty in Jack Kelouac book On the Road. Throughout that journey, Dean is searching for his lost father. Just as Neal Cassady did the same throughout his whole life.
We also know about his filmed documentary called Magic Trip, in which he was the bus driver. This could definitely be relating back to Bae’s magic trip via the magic bean.
We see Neal, standing outside his New York apartment, window wide open with the wind blowing through. Peter Pan would sit outside the Darling’s window and listen to the stories being read to the children.
There are many other clues to this theory that members have added in other posts on this thread.
So, I believe it’s a very real possibility.[adrotate group="5"]
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.September 18, 2012 at 1:55 pm #154033tylerParticipant
Whenever Rumple referred to Bae as being ‘lost’, that is EXACTLY what came to mind for me as well. Your other points are very well made, and I have to say, I agree 100%September 18, 2012 at 6:32 pm #154057clockwatcherParticipant
I would LOVE for you to be right!
This is an AMAZING theory!!!!!!!!!! And it really does make so much sense!
I don’t think Bae would’ve been at the orphanage with Emma, though. I think it would be kinda awkward for a 14 year old to become close to someone, and then have a child with that person years later.
But maybe Bae just did something else in our world that brought him to find Emma… maybe he was looking for Rumple!
Oh, and I’d just like to point out how much more ridiculous Emma’s family would become- not only will her step-grandmother have tried to kill her mother and step-mother, but the EQ will be Henry’s step-great-grandmother… and Rumple will be his great-grandfather. Not to mention any of the possible ways that Rumple could be entertwined with Cora and Regina and them getting powers! 😆October 12, 2012 at 5:52 pm #156450
Thanks Clockwater 🙂 I think the family dynamics could get very interesting! LOL! I’m also seeing too many connections between Bae’s story and Peter’s.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.October 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm #156462gypsyParticipant
You go girl! I have loved this theory since you came up with it -back in like -February 😉October 12, 2012 at 7:34 pm #156466saimejoxxersParticipant
I seriously JUST got back from work and was going to check if anyone else had this theory. haha. My iPod died, and since I was without music or podcasts for several hours while performing manual labour, my mind went to Once Upon a Time theories. haha. I was thinking how Bae could possibly stay young enough to meet back up with Rumple, and I went through basically all the examples in mythology I could think of that involve time-warping… Narnia, Alice in Wonderland, etc. etc. I couldn’t think of any good way that would keep Bae young(ish) without completely messing up Emma and Mary Margaret now that they’re stuck in FTL. I mean, we don’t really want them coming back as centenarians and only a few months having passed in Storybrooke. xD
I never even saw this thread, but I definitely agree that Neverland seems like the only valid option. When I was thinking, I wasn’t sure if they’d make Bae himself Peter Pan, or maybe have him as one of the lost boys interacting with Peter, but I definitely think they’ll make use of him in Neverland. Either way, it would be cool. Bae as Peter is an awesome thought, but I also like the idea of him being able to interact with Peter too, because I think it’d be fun to see him with a friend, kind of. Although it would also make sense because although Peter had a band of followers/dependents, he kind of always was a bit of a loner, and that would fit Bae okay because I imagine being abandoned by your kind-of-evil father would give a guy a complex. I think he could use some alone time to figure that one out. xD
Random crackpot theory: I think it would be neat if Peter Pan was like 007 or the Dread Pirate Roberts from Princess Bride in that he’s actually a series of boys filling that role, rather than just one. That way he could meet Peter Pan and maybe be led to Neverland by him, bu then also eventually BE Peter Pan. xD I don’t think this will actually be the case, but it’d be cool. I think it would be fun for him to have someone to kind of lead him around and teach him the ropes. And in my mind, he winds up in this kind of world-between-worlds, maybe like the door-world in Jefferson’s hat, and he’s confused and dazed and crying. And then Peter comes along and looks at him and says, in a really condescending kind of voice, “Why are you crying?” And tada. BFFS.
Another crackpot theory: I think it would be really neat if Wendy and Bae liked each other, and he had the opportunity to go back to earth with her and have a family again/be in love with her/whatever the motivation is, but he doesn’t accept because he knows if he goes to earth he won’t be able to find his father. I think that would be extremely heartfelt because Rumple isn’t even willing to give up his power for Bae, but Bae is willing to give up a life/love/whatever for his dad. D’awww.October 12, 2012 at 8:21 pm #156470Gypsy wrote:You go girl! I have loved this theory since you came up with it -back in like -February ;)[/quot
Gypsy, you mentioning the other beams in Gold’s shop this morning got me thinking about them. Thank GF 🙂
@ saimejoxxers I would love to hear Emma say to Bae, “boy, why are you crying?”. That would be the icing on the cake! 🙂
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.October 18, 2012 at 9:30 pm #157180saimejoxxersParticipant
If they’re going to include anything of PP’s story to keep the same, I think it would have to be that line, for sure. Besides the whole Captain Hook thing, I mean. But it’s definitely a memorable detail.
I also wonder what they’ll do for Tinkerbelle? Maybe she’d be sent by the Blue Fairy to help Bae learn the ropes or something? What are your thoughts on that?October 19, 2012 at 2:13 am #157200PheeParticipant
When “The Return” aired, everyone (not just the fans, Rumple too) assumed that Bae had gone down the hole to our world without magic, but I wasn’t convinced. The point of that exercise, where Blue gave him the bean, was to take Rumple to a world where his magic would be void. “You just use it wisely, and follow wherever it leads you.” To me, that said that the bean would open up a portal to whatever place you needed to go to. If Rumple went through the hole, it’d send them to a land without magic. When Bae went through alone, his needs were different. He was now an orphan, a “lost boy”, and would being thrust into a strange world without magic really have been what he needed? I’d have thought that Neverland would have been a more fitting place for him.
If he went to Neverland, and became Peter Pan, that means that he also found a way to get between there and our world at some point. If he eventually needed to end up in our world permanently, that’d be a good way to ease him into it, if he could come visit now and then. Much less of a shock to the system than what Pinocchio had to adapt to.
Ever since Emma told the story about Henry’s dad liking pumpkin pie, and also suggesting he wasn’t a nice guy, I’ve wondered if that was a hint that his name would be Peter, as in the pumpkin eater. Even if that’s not what his actual name ends up being, it could still have been a hint to his identity as the name connects to Peter Pan.
Bae being Henry’s dad is obviously one of the most popular theories in the fandom, and it’ll be a big shocker if he doesn’t turn out to be. I’d love it if Henry’s father was Peter Pan though, just because I love the idea that the boy who famously couldn’t grow up, ended up fathering a child who was the only kid in his town who COULD grow up. So that makes me hope even more that Bae will end up being both Henry’s father and Peter Pan.
Kitsis and Horowitz have always said that Peter Pan is one of their fave stories. This makes me think that Peter will have to be someone of significance. They’re now introducing Hook, and we know that they’re going to address the issue of Henry’s father this season too. With everything else going on right now, it’d just confuse matters if they introduced yet another major character in Peter Pan, if he was someone completely new. Making him Bae would seem to fit from a storytelling structure standpoint. They could delve into Hook’s history in Neverland, and tie it to present day SB if this mystery man who’s coming to town covers all the bases of being Bae, Peter Pan, and Henry’s father. For a while I wondered if it’d be overkill to make him be so many people, (and also potentially Jack as well), but the more I think about it, the more I think it’d weave the several storylines together perfectly.
I also wonder what they’ll do for Tinkerbelle? Maybe she’d be sent by the Blue Fairy to help Bae learn the ropes or something? What are your thoughts on that?
Love that idea! Dunno how technically spoilery it is because it’s just something that was hinted at but Kitsis and Horowitz did recently suggest that a character like Tinkerbelle would surely have a story worth telling, so safe to say we're gonna get that story.October 19, 2012 at 7:19 am #157214fairy dustParticipant
I just had a crazy thought. Remember when Emma was repairing the toaster…well…someone who repaired household appliances was called a tinker…and remember when Henry bought Emma a bell. Do you think this is just a nod, foreshadowing Tinkerbell or do you think Emma could somehow fill the Tinkerbell role???
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