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Well if not for the curse on Cora’s heart, the poison Hook used seems like it would have done the job. Cora and Regina were frantic to get to him before the poison took because otherwise the magic would have simply dissipated.
[adrotate group="5"]"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
This is a weird one, and please forgive me if it’s been asked in the 50+ pages of this thread, but what (if anything) would happen if the Dark One tried to kill themselves with the dagger? Would the power just loop back in to themselves and cancel itself out? Would they die and release the power into the void? Could Rumple kill himself and then be saved by magic (or….science ^_^)? I mean that in the “technical” death, you know like when someone is clinically dead in the hospital for 60 seconds or something. Just wondering and exploring the ideas of different ways the curse could leave him. I don’t think any of these are the case, I’m just pondering.
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
Do you mean in the past or in the future/season 3?
It doesn’t look like travel from FTL to NL is possible without use of a portal or similar. It’s possible that some other traveler traded him the ink in the past? However- if (hopehopehope) we are dealing with a powerless Rumple in S3, I can see him turning to magical items in lieu of having powers himself. Then maybe he could seek out the squid in the future?
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
So, we’ve talked a lot about Lacey’s behaviors that Belle would be repulsed by, but what parts of Lacey do you think Belle would want to keep around or embrace? We don’t know a lot about Lacey (and little of it is what fans would consider “good”) but do you think she has any qualities that Belle might try to develop in her “both” self?
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
I love the idea of the shadow trying to find a body for himself, but that doesn’t really explain why he’s keeping the boys there. I mean, he clearly doesn’t care about the Lost Boys, but it requires a lot of effort to keep children from escaping- if they didn’t work out as a body for him to attach himself to, then he likely wouldn’t care if they lived, died, escaped or remained. I suppose the shadow had to fly them there, maybe some of the boys did escape as far as the ocean, and later became pirates?
(I also don’t think Hook is PP and I don’t think there’s a connection between Rumple at the Shadow. It seems like it would be a strained connection, and I think it would be a weak point of the show’s backstory if it turned out that way.)
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
Hello, Mitchell! And welcome!
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
Brb, designing the “Charmingstiltskin” family crest…
Shack, while I don’t know if I think Regina will be separated from the group I can see that working really well. I lot of Regina’s problems come from the fact that she can’t let go. She can’t let go of her anger and this ends up keeping her from being able to get genuinely close to others, like Henry. He life since Daniel’s death has been wrapped up in hating Snow and everyone associated with her. If Regina was forcibly separated from the group, that would free her up to have a few character development episodes.It would really matter if she was in a magical world or our world, she’d end up meeting new people, people who didn’t have a preconceived notion of her. She would actually be able to start fresh.
This might not go well at first. It’s possible that she’d enter a group and her old habits would set in, and she’d end up being driven away. It could be a wake-up call that “Hey, part of the problem really is you” and she could try very hard to start on the path of redemption. Without Snow and the gang to cause blinding fury, she just might be able to do it.
If that’s the way the season went, by the time she rejoined the group she’d have a fresh perspective, and perhaps more empathy towards her former enemies. If we only get one more season, that would be a positive note to end things on.
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
I think you’re right and I’m both sad, but also okay with it. On the one hand I want my instant gratification and for Rumbelle to have happy picnics all summer! On the other- I want to see that story resolved with the attention and care that it deserves, and that’s definitely going to mean S3. There’s probably also a little “having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting” involved as well. Ugh, isn’t that what Rumbelle is made of? XD
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
(Haha, thanks. I um.. have a lot of feelings- especially about relationships like this one.)
If we have a lot of time to explore Belle’s feelings, yes- think she will be upset and confused. She’s also going to have to reconcile how she feels about the way Rumple acted while she was Lacey. Is the gratified that he stuck by her? Is she angry that he gave in to his darkness? Both? (Probably both, delicious, delicious conflict.) The other thing is that when Belle remembers herself, she’s not going to be 100% Belle again, given what we know of the Storybrooke residents. She’ll be both. She’s only been Lacey for a short time, but she said in The Rabbit Hole that she “remembers who she is and that’s Lacey” so I think she got an entire lifetime of memories back, and she’s been adding a few days to that since she adopted the persona. How is *that* going to alter Belle, and their relationship?
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
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You have footnotes inside your post. I enjoy you.
If I ever make a blog or fanpage or whatever, I’m absolutely calling it “Grasping At Straws”. ^_^
Edit: Oh well- while I’m here…
Something that I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about regarding pairings in several different series (Harry Potter especially regarding Snape and Lily, for those familiar with the series) is the difference between a relationship based on wanting, and a relationship based on needing. It’s interesting to see how two these two types relationships are presented and explored.It is really tricky territory to navigate. On the surface, the idea of “needing” someone seems so romantic. Saying, “I need you” seems to go hand in hand with “I love you”, but the more you look at the situation, the more it becomes clear how unhealthy needing another person can become. Now, this is not to say that people can’t need each other. Children need someone to nurture them. Adults can find themselves in positions where they need to lean on another for support as they struggle through a difficult time. However in both of these situations the idea is that you need someone for a time- but you grow out of it. Not only that, but the nurturer/friend/needed person should want to help you grow out of it. This isn’t to say that at 18 a parent stops caring for their child, but a good parent is going to know that at some point they have to let that child leave and flourish on their own. To fail to do so is abusive, and it also becomes clear that the needed person has in fact come to a point where they “need to be needed”. It’s can be a dangerous cycle and can be toxic to a relationship of any sort.
The alternative is want. Again, on the surface it sounds misleading. “I want you” seems to bring up images of carnal lust rather than love- however upon closer examination it really means that “I’m here with you because I want to be. I chose you.” At the same time you’re respecting the other person and ideally they will want to be there with you as well. Still, you’re not in the position where you’ve trapped them with your needs- if they leave, you aren’t going to self destruct. You may be devastated, but you will still function. It seems funny and almost obvious to say, but a relationship where two people want to be there is the healthiest relationship.
I bring this up in regard to Belle because (like I mentioned in some other thread) Belle and Rumple is very much about want. Belle chose to go to his castle. She chose to return. She chose to leave when told and chose to came back to fight for him. She wanted him to be happy. She wanted to free him. She wanted to be with him. But at no time was Belle ever filled with anything you might call “need”. Rumple, on the other hand found himself in that very precarious position of what would hopefully be a temporary need. He needed someone to show him that there was still goodness in his heart. He needed someone to believe in him. And he needed someone he could believe. Ideally- these would all be temporary. He would learn, he would change, and then and only then, the two of them could grow within a relationship. Belle was there to provide that temporary support in a crisis, but that could only last so long, and she knew it.
The trouble with Lacey is that she is becoming a long term need. Because of the desperate situation that Gold has found himself in at the end of this season- he needs someone. He needs someone to lean on. He needs someone to be with him. It’s not about learning a lesson and growing, it’s about having someone there, with you, held securely in the same place. Right now he’s doing whatever he can to keep Lacey interested and at his side because he needs her there, and that’s honestly pitiable. I don’t think Lacey is really what I’d call evil, so it’s hard to say that she realizes this about their relationship, or that if she did she would abuse this knowledge, but it’s possible. However, even if she fell in love (and I wouldn’t say Lacey is incapable of that) and kissed him, I don’t think it would really be true love’s kiss. It’s funny wording to use, but I think that true love is born of want, not need. (For example Emma and Henry- Emma’s kiss was born of wanting Henry in her life, not just needing to assuage a guilty conscience or to do right by him.)
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
