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@RumplesGirl wrote:
Are they just regular non magical boys from FTL who someone how got lost? Are we talking the Pied Piper? (Peter Pan and the Pied Piper do share some similarities).
Good idea! Given how much Adam & Eddy like to mix stories it wouldn’t surprise me at all!
[adrotate group="5"]@myril wrote:
Ah, the t-thing again … better get cookies, hot chocolate, just in case 😉
Although of course still can question, why anyone is able to get views on future events if time is strictly linear. Now I think that OUaT is still more rooted in the mythology and structure of folk and fairy tales. Fairy tales universe know prophesies and seers but not usually time travel or crossing the barriers of time and space. People might fall asleep for some decades, centuries, be immortal, be able to see the future, see fate, manipulate fate, but they don’t jump around in time, different from science fiction. Not that I think that they would not mix up the genres, they do, but as I see it they still try to keep things more in the fairy tales logic. After all this show is called Once Upon a time and not Lost. 😛
But temporal mechanics is everybody’s fave subject at the academy, isn’t it, 😆
I like the idea that Neverland might move through time. I agree that prophecy has more of a fairy tale “feel” to it than does traditional SF time travel, but they could introduce time travel in a logically consistent way if they wanted to. Good fantasy and SF writing usually starts with one “fantastical” assumption, such as magic or faster-than-light travel, and then shows consequences that are logically consistent with that assumption, without making a bunch of new assumptions.
We were told in the very first episode that Rumple could see the future and we got a more detailed description of that process when we met The Seer in “Manhattan.” The fact that prophecy exists in the Once universe shows us that information in that universe can flow backward in time, from the future to the past. But we know from the science of thermodynamics that in the real world the transfer of information requires the transfer of energy. We also know that energy is equivalent to mass (Einstein’s famous E = mc^2 equation) so the ability to transfer information to the past automatically implies the ability to transport matter to the past without requiring us to make any additional “fantastical” assumptions or violate any other physical laws.
Whether or not the writers will choose to use this possibility is of course a completely different question. Just because something is allowed by the physical laws they have assumed for their story doesn’t mean they have to use it. Physical time travel might be possible in their world but not practical – it could be prohibitively expensive, for example.
Both of your choices are very good ones! I would probably also pick Jiminy and his parents as my least favorite. Even though he didn’t seem to know exactly what the potion would do before it was used, it seemed pretty clear that he had reason to believe it would do some kind of harm. By comparison, I can’t picture Bae taking similar action against Rumple, or Henry against Regina.
As for Ruth giving up James, I always assumed they were so poor that it was their only way to prevent both of their children from starving. So she gave him up thinking it was the best thing for him (and for David), just as Emma did for Henry.
For my favorite pick, I started to be conventional and pick Emma and Henry because we’ve seen so much of them together, but then I decided to pick Regina and Henry. The dramatic tension introduced by the fact that they both love each other despite being on opposite sides in the Good vs Evil battle, and Regina’s attempts at reform, add so much complexity to the characters that I find it fascinating.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Over at this thread we’re been working with the idea that the London we saw in Second Star to the Right is actually the Land Without Color from Frankenstein’s story and that after the Home Office was developed (probably by Wendy) it set out to eradicate magic, leading to its non-color status by the time we get to the Frankenstein myth.
Great theory! I should have read that thread before starting this one.
@Jessie:Paradoxes of people wrote:
In the pilot ep,did anyone else notice the little ace of hearts card on Granny’s desk in the inn?
Yes! I noticed that the first time I saw the pilot and I remember thinking it would turn out to be significant because it was the only bit of color on a very gray desk. I’m still waiting to see them bring it up again. After all, another thing I noticed in that episode was the short on the power line when Emma got angry and slammed the car door. We had to wait until late in this season to learn that Emma has magic and magic is fueled by emotion but now that scene makes perfect sense. I’m hoping within the next couple of years we get some equally definitive background about the card on Granny’s desk!
Speaking of the pilot, did anybody else notice in that episode that Regina has a copy of the famous statue of Cupid and Psyche on the table in her living room? In Roman mythology, Psyche was “the fairest of them all” and Hera, queen of the gods, tried to keep Cupid and Psyche apart just as Regina tried to keep Snow and Charming apart. This show has so many layers of symbolism that I bet we could keep this forum active discussing it for years after the show ends!
One of my earliest and fondest memories of childhood is watching the TV production of Once Upon a Mattress which starred Carol Burnett as Princess Winnifred. Burnett originated the role on Broadway, then did the TV version, then played the part of Queen Aggravain in the 2005 Disney version. Wouldn’t it be great if Once Upon A Time did an episode based upon this story and could get Carol Burnett to make a cameo appearance! Who knows, maybe she’s a fan of the show.
There was also a movie version of Into the Woods made in 1997.
Favorite Moments Emma and Neal as he falls through the portal. What a great emotional scene. I also liked the scene of David comforting Emma afterward. We haven’t seen many chances for Emma to bond with her dad.
I can’t really think of a least favorite moment.
All of these sound like good games. My favorite is “Settlers of Catan”! There’s also a discussion of the games over in https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3955
Sounds like fun! It’s a lot like what I ultimately envision for my online game, “Once Upon A Game” at http://www.onceuponatimespace.com/features.html but the online game still has a long, long way to go before it’s really usable. As you can see in the discussion at https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=3019&p=41616&hilit=computer+game#p41616, I hope to eventually refine the funny sayings that are generated by the game into story elements that can be pieced together, but I haven’t had time to work on it for a while. One of these days…
