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Is there some reason you think Rumple CAN’T see the future? Clearly Snow believed it before she went to him and he made his prediction about Emma. I just wonder why you think people would say this about him if it wasn’t true.
[adrotate group="5"]@hjbau wrote:
I don’t think that Rumpel can see the future unless we are to believe he knows that Belle is trapped in that dungeon and doesn’t care.
The locals certainly believe that Rumplestiltskin can see the future. I can’t recall the exact scene and episode, but I know some character came out and said it. That was why Snow insisted she wanted to talk to Rumple, when he found out the baby’s name. Rumple predicted that when their baby was 28 years old she would return and save them all, and that turned out to be correct. I don’t interpret it that he is all-knowing and all-seeing, but that there are some things he can see, or possibly that he can use magic to see the future, but of course always paying a price.
@hjbau wrote:
Maybe Gold used those bottles to make the curse which would be maybe how Emma is the one who breaks the curse by using her parents love .
Oh, I like the idea that he he used his complete set of magic bottles to create the curse and needed the love juice to make it work.
I’m as much of a romantic as the next person, and a Rum/Belle shipper to boot, but I feel like Rumplestiltskin’s agenda goes beyond just reuniting with his lost love. Mr. Gold honestly believes Belle is gone forever, “she’s not coming back.” And when he told Grumpy that love was the most powerful magic that exists, it was in the same conversation that he said that no magic can bring back true love. “If you can bottle love, you can do anything.” I get the feeling that Rumple has his sights set higher than just his own lost romance.
What that is??? No clue. Possibly something to do with breaking the dark curse? Possibly ridding the world of the dark magic? Maybe nothing so benevolent as that. Maybe just putting the world out of its misery.
A couple of other themes that jumped out from tonight’s episode that may be related to Rumple’s agenda: 1) it was mentioned a couple of times that “evil is made, not born,” and 2) that losing love can drive you do do unspeakable things. We know both Rumple and EQ have lost loves in FTL. Neither one of them has a happy ever after in FTL.
I think this is a very good question and one we don’t have an answer to. I agree with you that Moe didn’t seem to even acknowledge what Gold was talking about. I have heard the theory that Gold had a relationship (possibly romantic, possibly not) with Moe’s daughter. I don’t think that is the case. It would make no sense at all for Moe to not even respond to Gold’s references to this person. Granted he was tied up and being beaten so he might not have been tracking very well. But still, if Moe had a daughter, who was now either missing or that Moe knew was in the hospital, you would think he would at least respond to Gold bringing her up. Although you might have expected Moe to say “what are you talking about?” when Gold started prattling on about “you were her father.”
I think they intentionally left it vague by Moe just not even acknowledging it.
@hjbau wrote:
I still question a lot more whether Rumpel always knew. He just seems so confused at times. And there has always been the question about whether or not he remembered only when he heard Emma’s name in Granny’s bed and breakfast. Though i am not sure if the writers will do anything that interesting because making him know was so uninteresting.
I thought it was a terrific twist. I like having another power player in Storybrooke besides just Regina. I also enjoy not really knowing what Mr Gold’s motivation is and therefore not being able to predict what he is going to do. Regina is a good character but not quite as unpredictable.
She cast the curse. I think she always knew. It would be a lousy curse if you intended it to be able to ruin people’s lives and then watch them suffer, but then didn’t remember to enjoy watching them suffer. I have to think Rumplestiltskin has better quality control on his curse-creation than that.
I do agree that in the scene in the orchard it appeared that Mr. Gold knew the score, and not just the “please,” but that when Regina asked who Emma was, Gold replied, “I think you think you know exactly who she is.” What would he mean other than that Regina suspected Emma to be Snow and James’ child who had come to break the curse. Maybe that moment planted the seed in Regina’s head that Gold knew who he really was, but it just took her a while to gather more information and decide to finally confront him about it. She probably knew that coming out in the open that he knew about the curse, and she knew that he knew, and he knew that she knew that he knew, etc. etc. etc. would take their conflict to another level. She just needed to get prepared for that before opening that can.
I think it just sort of happened as a mechanism of the curse. I can’t see EQ sitting down with a chart and making up new names for people. (And if she did, I would think they would be mean names. Snow would have been Jezebel or Slush or something.) I would just see them waking up with knowledge of their names, just as they knew where they lived and what jobs they had.
@Goldie wrote:
I think the EQ may have something to do with it, just to frame MM, but I can’t help but wonder if mr. Gold didn’t plant it in the episode “the heart is a lonely hunter”, where he was in the woods with a shovel gardening. I have other theories about that scene as well. None the less, I think he secretly wants the curse broken and in order to do that, he has to make Emma dig deeper to reveal the FTL. Just a thought.
Dearly yours,
Gold E. LocksThe heart definitely said EQ to me and I can totally see Regina doing the frame-up of MM. They said it was a human heart but I bet their testing comes back inconclusive as to whose it is. Would killing Kathryn really suit Regina’s purposes? Maybe she figures it will make David hate MM, which it probably will if he believes it.
