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I have heard that theory before that R killed Bae’s mother (based on his long hesitation before responding to Bae’s question — “she is dead.”), but I don’t get that at all. There is certainly regret there. And possibly shame, possibly R feeling responsible for her death for some reason. But I don’t get any vibe that he killed her. Just that the whole subject is painful for him, maybe just because he is grieving the loss of his wife, or maybe because the soldier was truthful and she did leave him because his behavior disgraced her.
Here is something I just thought of —- if that is true and the mother left, why wouldn’t she take the boy with her? Was she just a b**** who didn’t care about her son? Did she hate the boy too because she thought he would turn out just like his father? Or (and this is the one possible scenario where I could see R murdering her) did she try to leave with the boy and R couldn’t bear to lose his son and so killed her. I could imagine that happening.
As far as R being a coward they certainly drove that point home over and over, but I would like to see the circumstances of R’s supposed cowardice in battle. He did tell Bae he had no choice. Personally, if faced with a horde of angry ogres I think I would run too!
[adrotate group="5"]@rumplegoldfankristi wrote:
Someone has a whole theory somewhere (I don’t think it’s on this site) that Rumple’s son became miserable after Rumple became the Dark One and made a wish that he could disappear that the Blue Fairy overheard. She somehow found a way to make him disappear and he became one of the Lost Boys from Peter Pan who never grows up and is befriended and protected by Tinkerbelle (another Fairy). He is somehow spared from the curse but finds out about it. This person thinks that Rumple wrote the book and that the reason that Henry can’t figure out who Gold is is because he left parts of himself out of the book. Rumple’s son (who didn’t die because he never grew up) starts to age when Emma comes on the scene and figures out what is going on (he is August W. Boothe). He comes to town and adds the missing pages that contain Rumple’s story so that Henry can figure out who Rumple is). It explains why Rumple hates Fairies so much. Sounds like a decent theory to me and one I hadn’t thought of.
Wow. That is very complete and actually sounds plausible. I almost hope it isn’t the case because I hate spoilers. Even though I know it’s not a spoiler per se, I would be bummed to know what is coming before it happens!
I hate to say it because Emilie de Ravin seems like a lovely person, but I have never been terribly impressed with her emotional range. Of course I don’t know how she was directed, but it would have been interesting to see some real fear of Rumplestiltskin when she first went with him, perhaps some sadness at leaving her father. At the Dark Castle I could see R falling in love with her, but I think some people on this board could manage more longing looks in R’s direction. 😉 And when she left him at last, perhaps a tear or two.
So to me, that is what was missing from her exchange with Grumpy. The words were right, but there just did not seem to be any sense of loss or regret. If this was shortly after the “break-up,” as I assume it was, the emotions would still be very fresh and very raw. And I agree with you, there would probably be some impulse to go back and see him again, try to make him see what he is throwing away. There would be anger and hurt and confusion. Grumpy’s Belle seemed way too happy. And by the way, totally out of place drinking in the dwarf tavern! Maybe she just went there because she knew she wouldn’t get hit on, what with dwarves never falling in love!
Again, I don’t want to come across as mean or critical. Just one person’s opinion.
@hjbau wrote:
Also i have been wondering if Bae is even Rumpel’s son or if he took him from Bae’s mother or killed his mother. Rumpel just seems like he would do anything.
Are you talking about pre-curse Rumplestiltskin? I didn’t see anything in that character that would make me think he was a murderer or a babysnatcher. Or do you think the curse didn’t really change his base character, it just gave him the power to accomplish the evil that had been in his heart from the beginning.
I really hope we get more information on what exactly the Dark One curse does. How much of the person’s original character stays intact and how much is it subsumed by the power/curse? Could a good enough person overcome the darkness and use the power for good? Or is the fact that it is call The Dark One a giveaway that whoever gets cursed is going to get buried under the evil?
Thoughts about fairy dust:
Rumplestiltskin was imprisoned in the mine where they got the diamonds for the fairy dust. I wonder if that is why his magic could be imprisoned there. I also wonder if there is some other source of the stuff since that no longer seemed to be a working mine.
We haven’t see fairy dust at work in any other episode, have we? Did the blue fairy use it before?
The fairy dust seemed to almost have a mind of its own. The bit that Nova spilled didn’t just float away. It had a trajectory.
Since magic is such a major part of the story here —- who has it, how you get it, whose is more powerful, what is the price of it, etc. —- it will be interesting to see where they take this.
Unfortunately, I am not as well versed in the earlier episodes because I wasn’t watching it as closely as I am now. I had forgotten about Grumpy and Doc being involved in the discussions about the curse and saving the baby. And actually, wasn’t it Grumpy who sounded the alarm from the top of the castle when the curse-smoke was coming?
I don’t think Sydney knows about the curse. I think he is still the lovesick puppy he was in FTL and is doing Regina’s dirty work in order to get back into her good graces. But it is a good point that if Emma can really tell if someone is lying, she should have seen through Sydney. More likely, she just believes herself to be an impeccable judge of character. Unfortunately she is missing a whopper right now. To me, Sydney seems like such a putz, it is odd that he would be able to successfully fool the human polygraph.
I posted a similar comment here: https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=218
I’m glad I’m not the only one who found the whole dwarf/slave thing a little disturbing. Now I’m wondering a bit about where this fits in the timeline, because at some point we see Grumpy’s crew seemingly liberated and living in the woods (do I have that right?). Or at least they befriend Snow in the forest and stand guard over her glass coffin in the forest. And at one point Grumpy is in jail with Snow.
Maybe they unionized and rebelled against their fairy oppressors!!
Favorite moments: When Mary Margaret came back to the gathering at the end and Granny lit her candle. It seemed like MM decided to hold her head high and not let other people’s opinions dictate what she does or how she feels.
Least favorite: The whole speech about how dwarves don’t love. What is that crap?? It is all fine and good that Dreamy/Grumpy was willing to sacrifice his own happiness because he thought it was best for Nova, but seriously. The dwarves in the mines seem to be the dark underbelly of Fairy Tale land. An entire race created just to live underground, never know love or see the light of day and basically bred to work? Makes Rumplestiltskin seem positively humanitarian.
@cruel_fortuna wrote:
My guess is that Rumple is referring to the Blue Fairy. Seeing as Cinderella gave him a quill which she had enchanted that bound his magic. Effectively leading to Thomas’ disappearance, as well as Rumple’s imprisonment in the cave-cell that the dwarves had fashioned for him to ensure his magic would still be moot inside his cell. So that’s probably part of the history he’s referring to..
I’ll buy that. I wonder where exactly he would send them if they default, since nobody can leave Storybrooke. Or is that just the ever-looming threat that nobody knows he can’t make good on?
