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I think it’s pretty clear what Rumple wants. It was revealed that what he wants is to remove the control the dagger has over him while keeping his magic. He’s still choosing power over everything else, despite all the character growth he made in sacrificing himself to save his son and Belle.
Wanting to keep his magic isn’t necessarily ‘choosing power over everything else’.
[adrotate group="5"]WHAT Rumple wants was spelled out pretty succinctly last night. WHY he wants what he wants is another matter entirely. Anna though he wanted ‘unlimited power’ for nefarious means, but, with Rumple, it’s never been that simple.
She’s in Wonderland. Will was brought to Storybrooke by the second curse, as he was by the original one. Now he’s looking for a way back. …That would be the simplest explanation, but they’ve probably come up with something way grander.
I hope this is the answer. Dr. Whale wasn’t in the Enchanted Forest when Regina cast the first curse, but he was still brought to Storybrooke. We’ve heard that the DC affected all the lands, so it would be a stretch for Snow’s curse to bring the Knave from Wonderland.
The Curse might’ve ‘affected’ all lands, but it certainly didn’t drag all of the inhabitants of every single land to Storybrooke, meaning that Whale and Jefferson were dragged to Storybrooke because Regina wanted them to be. Unless Will somehow met Regina at some point prior to leaving Mist Haven with Ana, he had to have gone back there in order to have been dragged along by the Curse, because it wouldn’t have affected him otherwise based on what we know. The question is: why did he leave Wonderland? Was it simply because he couldn’t deal with being in the same world as Ana even without his heart being in his body? Was there some more sinister reason? Did he use Maleficent’s mirror, or did he find the White Rabbit and ask him to make a portal?
Hopefully we’ll find out some of the answers to these questions.
Given that we know Will was caught in Regina’s Curse (although we don’t know why he would’ve gone back to Mist Haven prior to it being cast), it’s not out of the question for him to have been caught in Snow’s Curse even though he wasn’t in Mist Haven at the time. The fact that he’d been pulled by it once would, based on what we know about it, be enough to bring him against his will.
What about everyone else who were unwillingly ripped from their lives in the EF and sent to a foreign land? Snow and Charming had no idea whether they could get back to the EF from Storybrooke. They are taking it on faith that they would defeat Zelena and find a way back, and while they have the right to risk themselves (and perhaps, their supporters), they had no right to make that decison for others.
Given that Snow and Charming seem to be the only rulers left in the EF, they do kind of have the right to make those kind of sweeping decisions, and the fact is that most of the people who would’ve been transported back to Storybrooke had been there before, and, with the way the new Curse was initially cast (before Zelena swooped in and mucked with the formula), there would have been little to no consequences other than them simply being ‘displaced’ from the EF.
To cast this Curse, someone has to die, you have to sacrifice the thing you love most.
Both of these things happened; they just weren’t permanent.
They have previously shown that having someone else’s heart in your body does NOT flawlessly resurrect a person. They have shown this TWICE, with Daniel and Gerhart.
Both of those instances involved science rather than magic.
They invented a new rule that you can split a heart in two to bring back someone from the dead.
That doesn’t really violate anything that they’ve previously established, though, and is really not all that different from what was done on Once Upon a Time in Wonderland with the water from the Well of Wonders resurrecting Anastasia.
They weren’t casting the Curse just to ‘save their unborn child’; they were casting the Curse in order to get back to the one person who could stop someone who was threatening their entire existence and the existence of every other person in the Enchanted Forest, including their unborn child.
The thing that would have set this Curse apart from the other instances in which we have seen it cast is that its sole purpose was to get them back to the ‘Land without Magic’ so that they could find Emma and stop Zelena from hurting them, their child, and everyone else; had Zelena not intervened and ‘mucked with the formula’, it appears as if the only price that would’ve been paid as a result of casting the Curse was Charming’s death, which is a significant price in and of itself.
As far as the writers’ tossing out their established rules’, I really fail to see how they did anything of the kind, particularly given that this is the first time we have ever seen the Curse cast for largely unselfish and benign motives. Sure, it was a ‘last resort’ option, but is not all that different from a police officer using deadly force to stop a violent situation and save lives.
The casting of the Curse clearly did something to ‘Rumplefire’ that ‘changed the rules’ insofar as how the ‘mind sharing’ thing worked and the consequences of it.
The ‘hole in her heart’ thing was Regina’s personal price.
The purpose of the Curse this time was simply to take everyone back to Storybrooke, and would likely not have had any significant consequences other than Charming’s death – which is a big enough price to pay if you’re Snow – had Zelena not interfered and made the memory loss part of the package.
As an aside, this episode confirmed something that I’d speculated on elsewhere, which is that Snow and Co. had been in Storybrooke for quite a while before Emma, Hook, and Henry showed up, and, based on the chronology of things, it appears that Snow cast the Curse around 8 months after the events of “Going Home”, meaning that there’s a 3 to 4 month gap between that happening and Emma arriving on their doorstep in “New York Serenade” since we know Hook didn’t find her until a year after the events of GH.
New poster here.
We know that additional episodes were ordered, which leads me to believe that several of the things that they brought up but never followed up on (Alice’s connections to the Red Queen in the past, more of Jafar’s backstory, some of the stuff with the Jabberwocky, etc.) were casualties of the decision to scrap said episodes and simply make the series a 13-episode affair, and I would not be surprised if Adam and Eddy eventually reveal some of the answers to the things that were left ‘hanging’, although I don’t think it’s going to happen within the course of OUaT itself (at least not any time soon) given comments they’ve made.
