May 4, 2014 at 12:54 am #266101PheeParticipant
By that logic, Regina will always be the Evil Queen. Everyone always calls her that.
That’s been changing within the dialogue of the show though, and in how other characters react to Regina and now work with her. I can’t imagine anyone who knows Regina referring to her as the EQ any more in present day. Meanwhile, we had Emma just a couple of episodes ago declaring, “I’M NO AMATEUR, I’M THE SAVIOUR.” They’ve kept that word very firmly in the present day dialogue.
It makes me wonder even more if Emma’s gonna be the one burned at the stake in the AU, as their take on the whole “Saviour being nailed to the cross” thing.[adrotate group="5"]May 4, 2014 at 4:11 am #266108GrimmsisterParticipant
I gather that a lot of people diagree with the show making Regina the one to save the day from the wicked green clutches of Z and her timey wimey spells. That is if it is indeed Regina in the clip and not body-swapped Emma.
I think it makes a lot of sense that it should be Regina who breaks Z. Like WR said, this season half was always Wicked vs. Evil. Reginas character has been growing exponentially throughout this season, she started out after meeting Z in enchanted forest wanting to “Destroy” her, remember that crazy-happy look she gave when she realized she had someone to destroy Again XD .. coming full circle now, into her wanting to spare Z’s life. Because she has found a way to love right Again, with both Henry (she had true loves kiss) and with Robin.
It makes sense that this loving people gives her the ability to “tap into” the source of the light magic- Love magic. It wasnt easy for her to get there she’s spent 3 seasons going through that journey. With Emma, Emma’s light magic comes easy, she has easy access to it because she is A True Love product and “Is strong with the force” 😉 but this shouldnt provent others from also using the source of good Light magic.
Emma being ‘The savior’ was, like someone pointed out, linked to Rumples/Reginas curse. Right now its just a label, like Regina being ‘the Evil Queen’ was a label. One that she wrongfully chose too embrace back in the day but now no longer does. Emma hasnt fully embraced her Savior Label, both because she doubts herself and she doesnt take the right action always.
Being a savior/Hero Means taking actions towards helping and saving other people. You are no Savior just by definition, but you can become one by taking action, which Again doesnt make you a Savior from that day on and forever. You only are one from one action to the next. Like Regina says, when Z sourly asks “Oh so you are a hero now”- “I am today”
I feel like this is one of the main Things that the shows creators have tried to establish from day one. There are no born to be villains like there are no born to be heroes. Labels such as Evil, Wicked and Savior or Hero all comes Down to choices and actions.May 4, 2014 at 4:40 am #266110TomaParticipant
In my opinion, Emma having great powers just because she is born from true love doesn’t really make sense. Emma is hardly the only true love child around, what about Aurora (her mother was the original Sleeping Beauty who was awoken by TLK) or Snow herself? Why don’t they have magic? What about ordinary happily married EF couples who are not princes or princesses? Do their children all grow up to have super powers?
True love ought to be a choice. Emma had the role of saviour forced down her throat by Rumple and then she was further coerced into fulfilling that role by her parents. Emma herself admitted she did not want to be the saviour or have anything to do with magic. It’s much more satisfying to me that Regina is the one to fulfill the role of Savior in this arc because she fought her dark side and made the choice to let true love in instead of being afraid of it like before.
Regina started off the second half of this season by letting Robin into her life, then she protected Snow from harm, and then she proved her true love for Henry. These are all major steps she took before she was finally able to let go of her vengeance and tap into light magic so it really isn’t that out of the blue. Also, like others have pointed out, the theme for this part of the season is Wicked vs Evil. So it was always gearing towards a final showdown between Zelena and Regina. Emma (and the Charmings) were the focus for Season 1 and 2. Rumple was arguably the hero for Season 3a. I don’t see anything wrong with letting Regina have the limelight for this half of the season.
To those who pointed out that Regina was a slow learner in magic so she shouldn’t have the power to defeat Zelena. The thing is that Rumple was trying to teach Regina dark magic in order to corrupt her to cast the curse. His methods were all about using rage and other negative emotions for fuel. Regina’s affinity may very well have been for light magic all along since she was initially a good person. So her not being a quick student like her sister could just be that Rumple was using the wrong methods on her; just like Emma wasn’t exactly a quick learner when Regina tried to teach her to use anger to create fire. Only when Regina let Emma use her own instincts instead of following Rumple’s methods did Emma improve so quickly.May 4, 2014 at 7:27 am #266117PheeParticipant
I gather that a lot of people diagree with the show making Regina the one to save the day from the wicked green clutches of Z and her timey wimey spells.
I don’t have an issue with Regina playing a significant role in them defeating Zelena. They’re sisters, it’s envy for Regina that’s been fueling Zelena’s entire plan, so it’s fitting that there’s a particular role that Regina should play in winning the battle. I just have an issue with THIS in particular being the role she plays because it feels OOC for her IMO. I think it’d take away some of her edge if suddenly she’s all goodness and light.
It would also take away Emma’s unique magical quality if Regina can now do the same magic she can, essentially making them the same kind of witch. It takes away a different element of magic that they could all use to their advantage in the future. If Emma and Regina are the same, then one of them is redundant, (and with Emma only just coming into her powers, it’d be a shame to see her be made redundant straight away). In the past they’ve each brought something unique to the mix, and it’s when their differences can work together that they become strongest.
If Emma did the light magic thing to rid Zelena of the pendant that controls her powers, and then they had Regina use her magic to finish business off in whatever situation Zelena causes when she strikes back, everyone would get to stay true to their magic specialty, it’s a team effort, and Regina gets final say in the showdown with her sister.May 4, 2014 at 8:50 am #266126RumplesGirlKeymaster
I don’t have a problem with Regina helping to take down Zelena; it’s Wicked vs Evil this season, afterall. I expected her to play a significant role. I have an issue with her suddenly being able to use white true love magic out of nowhere when she is heartless and can only feel things to a certain degree and because she suddenly willed it to be so. I have an issue that all it took for them to defeat Zelena, who has been built up as this epic big bad since 312, was taking off a piece of jewelry. I have an issue that Emma appears to be do nothing in the background.
Emma is the Savior, it was tied to the original curse, but it’s still what she is. She was able to leave SB in 311 because of Savior status. It didn’t end when she broke the curse.
To those who pointed out that Regina was a slow learner in magic so she shouldn’t have the power to defeat Zelena. The thing is that Rumple was trying to teach Regina dark magic in order to corrupt her to cast the curse.
He was also just trying to teach her magic. Remember what Zelena saw in the magic floor? Regina trying to poof an object and Rumple coming up and telling her “good job”"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 4, 2014 at 9:05 am #266129PriceofMagicParticipant
One thing I particularly don’t like about Regina in the sneak peek is when Rumple says “she killed my son!” Regina replies with “how many lives have we taken trying to get what we want?” Rumple’s response of “you can’t be serious” is very appropriate. It almost as if Regina is dismissing Rumple’s grief over the loss of his son, which he hasn’t had the chance to properly express due to being under Zelena’s control. Had Henry been the one killed by Zelena, I’m sure Regina would be less dismissive and first in line to kill Zelena.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixMay 4, 2014 at 10:33 am #266150KebParticipant
I’m having a terrible feeling that this is going to lead to Rumple’s relapse as a villain–he pretty justifiably wants revenge on Zelena, who only took away everything he’d spent lifetimes working for AND sacrificed his own life for.
But I’m not sure I can deal with the pain of a truly evil Rumple. He’s never been 100% evil even in his very darkest moments. Even the darkest thing he’s done, killing Milah (in my opinion), stemmed from his love for Baelfire and his self-hatred for having let him go.
But math says Henry would gain two family members–baby Snowflake and Zelena–and lose one–Neal…
Which suggests that a wedding with any of his family members isn’t likely, because that would change the math, wouldn’t it? (On the other hand, how do you get married in this show WITHOUT marrying into his family? They’re all family…)
This does of course all assume that Zelena DOES survive, which obviously it’s way too soon to guess at.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharingMay 4, 2014 at 10:35 am #266151enchantedfanParticipant
If this has already been discussed, my apologies, but could SB second half of S3 be the alternate universe? And Emma will set it right?
Be who you are, and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. Dr. SeussMay 4, 2014 at 10:50 am #266155TomaParticipant
It would also take away Emma’s unique magical quality if Regina can now do the same magic she can, essentially making them the same kind of witch.
Then wouldn’t Regina have been redundant all along with Rumple around (if they are both on the heroes’ team)? And it was always a possibility that Emma’s powers may be stripped away leaving her with no magic at all. In that case, you wouldn’t have any white witch in the team at all if Regina did not become one.
I have an issue with her suddenly being able to use white true love magic out of nowhere when she is heartless and can only feel things to a certain degree and because she suddenly willed it to be so.
Regina already did a True Love’s kiss on Henry which proved she is still capable of true love. And it isn’t unprecedented because Graham also shared a TLk with Emma in the first season even without his heart and regained his memories as a result. And Regina did not suddenly change on the spot. Her changes were in steps – first daring to love again, then giving up on her hatred to Snow and going so far as to protect her (remember “you have to go through me first, mother”), and finally giving up on her vengeance against her sister (who actually hasn’t done any real damage to her at this point). Plus, I would argue that Regina simply reverted back to her original personality – one that was willing to risk her life for a total stranger.
I actually have a greater issue with true love babies suddenly being magical. Like I mentioned before, if all it takes for a person to have magic is for his/her parents to be truly in love, then how come Snow or Aurora don’t have magic? Surely Snow and Charming can’t be the only true love couple around in the EF? Shouldn’t there be a lot of potential powerful white mages waiting to be trained to become saviours?
I have an issue that all it took for them to defeat Zelena, who has been built up as this epic big bad since 312, was taking off a piece of jewelry.
Glinda already said as much that taking off the pendant that Zelena wore would strip her of her powers so this was already foreshadowed and Charming was planning for Emma to do so anyway. Plus, the show isn’t so much about epic magical battles is it? Think how easily Rumple was able to slip past Pan’s guard and kill him when he had no magic at all. In every previous encounter with Pan, Rumple was always on the losing side. And then Rumple’s sudden decison to no longer rely on magic suddenly enabled him to kill Pan using physical strength? Why didn’t Pan just poof away?
He was also just trying to teach her magic. Remember what Zelena saw in the magic floor? Regina trying to poof an object and Rumple coming up and telling her “good job
That doesn’t mean Regina wasn’t trying to tap into her negative emotions while attempting to poof the object. So far, only light or dark magic has been seen in this show (for humans at least). There is no mention of “neutral” magic. Rumple stated that magic is emotion. Either you draw your powers from negative emotions or you draw it from positive ones.May 4, 2014 at 10:56 am #266157RumplesGirlKeymaster
Regina already did a True Love’s kiss on Henry which proved she is still capable of true love.
Yes and as I said elsewhere, I have issues with the fact that she was able to break the curse without being written into the curse itself.
And it isn’t unprecedented because Graham also shared a TLk with Emma in the first season even without his heart and regained his memories as a result.
But that wasn’t TLK in the same way it was TLK between Emma and Henry. Emma is true love, she can break any curse because of that status. She could have broken everyone’s curse in S1 by kissing them one by one. But it took kissing her true love, Herny, to break the curse overall, all at once.
Glinda already said as much that taking off the pendant that Zelena wore would strip her of her powers so this was already foreshadowed and Charming was planning for Emma to do so anyway.
But she was magical long before she got the necklace. It amplifies it and yes I know Glinda said that you have to get rid of it, but that just seems like a contradiction to how powerful she was pre-necklace."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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