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@rumplegoldfan wrote:
I’m still stuck on Regina saying that he seems familiar. I don’t see August seeming familiar to her as either Pinocchio or Bae.
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Maybe August is familiar to Regina for some other reason..maybe he has been in Storybrooke before? Maybe he was the one who brought Henry to Storybrooke?
[adrotate group="5"]Didn’t Gold give Henry to Regina? I thought that was discussed in the pilot or the second episode. Maybe I just assumed Gold was the one who gave Henry to her??
OMG!!! GUYS!!! Someone on Tumblr just pointed out a very improtant detail. One of the stills from episode 1×19 “The Return” shows Bae with an injured knee. This might explain why August was having so much leg trouble in last weeks episode! GAH!!!!!!!
Here’s the link to the photo!@rumplegoldfan wrote:
Didn’t Gold give Henry to Regina? I thought that was discussed in the pilot or the second episode. Maybe I just assumed Gold was the one who gave Henry to her??
Yes, Mr. Gold did “procure” Henry for Regina…but who is the person who brought Henry from the outside world into Storybrooke? Since Mr. Gold is stuck in Storybrooke like everyone else someone had to physically get baby Henry into Storybrooke and give him to Mr Gold.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
OMG!!! GUYS!!! Someone on Tumblr just pointed out a very improtant detail. One of the stills from episode 1×19 “The Return” shows Bae with an injured knee. This might explain why August was having so much leg trouble in last weeks episode! GAH!!!!!!!
Here’s the link to the photo!Hmm, very interesting indeed. I thought about how the Stranger might seem familiar to Regina. We don't know how far back Rumpelstiltskin's dealings with the Evil Queen started but it's possible Regina might have met Baelfire while he was still living with him, which would explain why he seemed familiar to her.
@celesstarr wrote:
Yes, Mr. Gold did “procure” Henry for Regina…but who is the person who brought Henry from the outside world into Storybrooke? Since Mr. Gold is stuck in Storybrooke like everyone else someone had to physically get baby Henry into Storybrooke and give him to Mr Gold.
Hmmm . . . good point. Interesting. I have had so many theories about August at so many different times I can’t keep track of them all. Bringing this up takes me back to my August is Henry’s father theory (which doesn’t preclude him also being Bae). It would be interesting if Henry’s father only stuck around long enough to, um, do the deed – knowing that Henry was a part of the whole plan. It does make me wonder why Emma wouldn’t remember him but I guess if it was a one night stand and he’s 10 years older now . . .
I guess he could also be Henry’s dad and NOT be Bae (of course then I would have to come up with some clever theory of how he would figure out the whole FTL issue . . .)
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
YOU ARE THE DESTROYER OF DREAMS!!!
Duuuude, that should be MY line for this thread. Stop stealin’ my material. 😉 😆
@obisgirl wrote:
Most fairytale characters-real world counterparts are the opposite of who they are in fairytale world. Pinocchio was honest because if he wasn’t, he nose would grow long as a puppet. August hasn’t been honest about why he is really there.
The way you put it there, August is the opposite of Pinocchio, unless I’m mis-reading what you wrote? Or did you mean how Pinocchio did tell lies, even though he wasn’t supposed to? Which makes him the same as August, who says he doesn’t tell lies, even though he does? Yes that trait does make both personalities the same. BUT, the theory that August is Pinocchio depends on him having escaped the curse, otherwise he wouldn’t have aged. So if he escaped the curse, he also escaped the personality reversing effects of it.
@obisgirl wrote:
Why would Gepetto use the tree as a test run for his son? That would be extremely selfish or him,
I think that if Pinocchio did escape, be it via the tree or by some other means, it wasn’t just something that Geppetto did on his own. He wouldn’t risk the life of his son, and potentially stuff up the saving of their saviour, just to do a test run. Any escape by Pinocchio would have been orchestrated by either Blue Fairy, or Rumple. Both of them had a motive to get Emma away safely, because Blue Fairy obviously wanted the curse eventually broken by Emma, and I believe Rumple does too. It’s probably more likely that Blue Fairy had a hand in any Pinocchio escape plan though.
From the preview, the Stranger is confronting Mr. Gold in the woods and he has the dagger! Now, ask yourself, why would Pinocchio want to kill Mr. Gold? They have no connection whatsoever. Secondly, from caps I have seen of that moment, he looks especially troubled to be pointing the dagger at him which leads me to believe that he is conflicted.
We don't know for sure yet what that scene is actually about. It certainly looks like August is confronting him, and then we're given a line from Mr Gold saying “I think he's here to kill me”, but promos can be notoriously misleading.
There would certainly be conflict between Mr Gold and August if he's Bae, and I agree, it'd be fabulous to see that play out, and I do hope that we get to see Bae in our world at some point, even though I don't think this will be it.
As for why Pinocchio would want to kill Mr Gold. Well, if he was a child in Fairytale, he'd have heard about Rumple and what a bad guy he is. I also think that if Blue Fairy did sent Pinocchio away, that she gave him this task. Gave him the picture of the dagger we see him with in The Return (BTW why would Bae need a pic of it if he'd seen the actual dagger before?) and said that one day he'd have to find this dagger and use it against Rumple.
August appears to be a very chilled out, peaceful kinda guy, almost got a hippy vibe about him. I don't imagine he'd relish having to confront someone with a dagger, so no matter who he is or isn't, that explains why he looks troubled in that scene from the promo.
If the Stranger added his story to Henry’s book, he wouldn’t have needed to do that if he is Pinocchio because Pinocchio is already in the book!
True, but we don’t know exactly what August added to the book yet do we? Might have been something that had nothing to do with him. Might have been that he was adding in bits of stories that had to do with Rumple. If, as I’ve suspected, the full extent of Rumple’s deeds weren’t in the book, maybe August added them in, because they’re clues that Emma will need if she’s going to break the curse.
Pinocchio DID not start out as a human. He was a puppet so it only makes sense that he would have reverted back to being a puppet in the real world or perhaps, the form he was originally in before he was carved into a puppet.
Like the personality reversal mentioned previously, if Pinocchio escaped the curse, there was never a chance of him reverting to puppet form. If it turns out he didn’t escape the curse, then yeah, I could buy it if he were a puppet again in Storybrooke. Though I’m not sure why they wouldn’t have shown us that by now if that’s all there was gonna be to his Storybrooke story, if he was gonna be an insignificant character. They coulda just shown him sitting in Mr Gold’s shop next to Geppetto’s parents.
when the Stranger comes into possession of the dagger, look at where he is in that scene when he summons him: in the woods!! Which is an interesting parallel to when Rumpelstiltskin used the dagger to summon the Old Dark One in 1×08 “Desperate Souls.”
That scene will be a wonderful parallel to the scene from Desperate Souls, and I can't wait to see it.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
I’d also like to add that Mr. Gold told Leroy in episode 1×14, “Dreamy,” that he hated nuns. And of course, when he says “nuns” he really means fairies. And after watching Desperate Souls and Skin Deep, it’s made quite clear that most of Rumpel’s decisions are motivated by the love. In his case, that would be Bae and Belle. So the fact that Rumpel holds so much hatred for the fairies tells me that it probably has something to do with the fairies. Maybe they took Bae off to Neverland to protect him from Rumpel. That may also be why he was so desperate to get his hands on the fairy wand. Maybe the only way to gain access into Neverland is by using the wand of a fairy.
Right now I’m totally digging the theory that Blue Fairy sent Bae to Neverland to protect him from Rumple. I think he’s still there and we won’t see more of that storyline until season 2. Love the idea that that’s the reason he was after the fairy wand!
I posted a youtube link over in the spoilers section where Robert is talking about the Rumple/Bae relationship and he says it doesn't exist yet in Storybrooke, and also said that he'd just finished shooting The Return. So either Mr Carlyle isn't telling the whole truth, or there's nothing about August being Bae in The Return. He also says we'll see where Bae has “gone to.” This makes me think that they're waiting till they have the Peter Pan rights and then they can set up a connection between Neverland and Storybrooke in season 2 and that's when we'll see Mr Gold reunited with his son somehow.
@the wiz wrote:
I re-watched the Pilot episode yesterday and saw a new clue for trusting August’s intentions. When Emma rides down the Main Street, a crane shot lifts our viewpoint through the traffic light, which is red in that episode. In 1×10 True North, that same crane shot repeats with a green light when August rides his motorcycle down the Main Street. Since the traffic light is above the characters’ points of view, I’m taking that as a hint for us viewers. One interpretation is that the show’s writers are telling us to stop ourselves from going with Emma’s spin on everything and go with August’s.
Very cool observation. Nicely spotted! 😀
@rumplegoldfan wrote:
I’m still stuck on Regina saying that he seems familiar. I don’t see August seeming familiar to her as either Pinocchio or Bae.
Especially not if he’s gone and changed his hair and eye colour. 😛 She’d have had no knowledge of what Bae looked like at all. Coulda seen Pinocchio once or twice, but yeah, as a redhead, so that doesn’t exactly jive.
I’ve never really taken her “he seems familiar” as truth though, I figured maybe she just said that to Emma so she seemingly had a reason to want to know more about him. If she’s demanding info on a complete stranger, she looks suspect. If she appears curious because she thinks she may know him, that’s slightly less suspect.
Maybe she noticed that Pinocchio was missing when they all got to Storybrooke, (she didn’t know them well in Fairytale, but knew enough to know that Geppetto had a son), and she’s always wondered where he got to, and now this guy shows up, and she wonders if he could be him, so she needs info on him.
@rumplegoldfan wrote:
They told us to pay attention when August talked about Lemurs – which we all then ran and read about Lemurs – the cute little monkey like creatures. But I think he was actually talking in riddles about Lemures – the ghosts of ancestors who had less than stellar deaths. I’m wondering if somehow August is a human form of a ghost of someone important to Regina like her father or Daniel. I wondered about Daniel since he was a stable boy and the motorcycle could represent a horse. Both Henry Sr. and Daniel would probably seem familiar to Regina in another life because they are probably the two people she loved the most – so even if they didn’t look the same, something about their mannerisms would seem familiar to her.
Interesting theory. I do kinda wish there was a way for Daniel to come back somehow, because much as I hate Regina, it’d be nice if eventually she can have her heartbreak repaired somehow, and I’m thinking that having Daniel back would be the only way that could ever happen.
It’s not totally outta left field to say he coulda been talking about “lemures” as opposed to “lemurs”. I mean, he was talking about prayer temples, and if ever there’s a place where spirits would be. If only we had a copy of the script so we could see how it was spelled. 😉
@celesstarr wrote:
Yes, Mr. Gold did “procure” Henry for Regina…but who is the person who brought Henry from the outside world into Storybrooke? Since Mr. Gold is stuck in Storybrooke like everyone else someone had to physically get baby Henry into Storybrooke and give him to Mr Gold.
Indeed! It wouldn’t surprise me if it turns out that August was the one who brought baby Henry to Storybrooke. Thus far, he’s the only person we’ve seen who is able to come into town from outside, (apart from Emma, who obviously didn’t deliver Henry there herself). That could also explain why Regina found him familiar, (if she legitimately did find him familiar). Maybe she got a quick glimpse of him 10 years ago when he was there handing the baby over to Mr Gold?
@rumplegoldfan wrote:
Bringing this up takes me back to my August is Henry’s father theory (which doesn’t preclude him also being Bae). It would be interesting if Henry’s father only stuck around long enough to, um, do the deed – knowing that Henry was a part of the whole plan. It does make me wonder why Emma wouldn’t remember him but I guess if it was a one night stand and he’s 10 years older now . . .
When Emma was telling Henry the story about his father, I got the sense that only the ending was made up. When she was talking about him coming into the diner and how he always asked if they had pumpkin pie, she seemed genuinely nostalgic IMO. Then she realised she’d need to fabricate the ending of the story because she didn’t want Henry knowing that his father ended up being a married man who had an affair with Emma then dumped her right after getting her pregnant. So I think Emma would recognise August if he was Henry’s father.
Okay, I have another theory about August being Baelfire. Well, sort off. It’s just things I’ve noticed. Think Star Wars.
– I think the writers once said they love Star Wars. That might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think they did say that.
– Rumple’s story is so much like Anakin’s story in SW. He’s afraid to lose someone he loves(Bae, Padmé) and makes a pact with the devil(The Dark One, Palpatine/Sith Lord). He thinks he will be able to save the one he loves with the power he’s given but still ends up loosing the one he wanted to save.
– Both Anakin and Rumple were told about the power by the one who posseses it to begin with. That person(The Dark One, Palpatine) seems friendly at first but has his very own reason for telling Anakin/Rumple about the power.
– Bae also says “I have a bad feeling about this”(famous SW quote as you know), or at least attempts to before his father interrupts him.
– The next episode is called The Return. Return of the Jedi?
–From the promo photos we know that Bae and Rumple will have scenes together that take place after Rumple becomes The Dark One. Therefor August/Bae returns, surely to try save his father. Hence the title The Return.I am trying not to hope too much that August is Bae. I hope he is, but I don’t want to be disapointed if/when is doesn’t happen. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens next. There are several good theories out there, so who knows what’s true?
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