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Just re-watched and paid closer attention to the Hook and Henry stuff this time. Wasn’t entirely horrible, I do think Hook is having some legitimate feels about the situation. Henry’s, “How am I supposed to feel anything about him being gone if I don’t know what he was like while he was here?” That just makes me wanna weep. I wonder if when he said that, Hook made the connection to the situation with Bae and his mother, because Milah left when Bae was very young, so he probably wouldn’t have remembered much of anything about her. I know the stuff Hook talks about is about how he lost his father, but I’m just sayin’, the no memories thing correlates more closely with his mother.
I also sort of laugh-weeped at Henry pointing out that Hook teaching Bae about navigation makes no sense since like, aren’t you the same age as him? Even the characters are pointing out how little sense the plot makes!
I didn’t even make the Milah connection, but you’re right. The reason why I defended those scenes was because I NEVER feel the Captainfire love–but here I got a taste of it. Or maybe I just appreciated that actual quiet time was devoted to it.
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Are any of you still interested in anything about this show anymore?
Watching this new ep was different than any I’ve watched previously. I was really only watching for the plot, and was emotionally detached from the characters for almost the entire ep, (were a couple of moments where I felt Rumple’s pain). Nowhere near as fulfilling of an experience as usual.
Just re-watched and paid closer attention to the Hook and Henry stuff this time. Wasn’t entirely horrible, I do think Hook is having some legitimate feels about the situation. Henry’s, “How am I supposed to feel anything about him being gone if I don’t know what he was like while he was here?” That just makes me wanna weep. I wonder if when he said that, Hook made the connection to the situation with Bae and his mother, because Milah left when Bae was very young, so he probably wouldn’t have remembered much of anything about her. I know the stuff Hook talks about is about how he lost his father, but I’m just sayin’, the no memories thing correlates more closely with his mother.
Yes. And it wasn’t OVERLY horrible, I agree. I do think Hook is in pain, I just don’t appreciate white washing what happened in the past in order to make Hook the Hero work.
The one part of Hook’s story last night I DID like was him telling Emma that she could not go back to NYC after this was over; Henry deserves to know. I’m glad someone flat out told Emma that.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I also sort of laugh-weeped at Henry pointing out that Hook teaching Bae about navigation makes no sense since like, aren’t you the same age as him? Even the characters are pointing out how little sense the plot makes!
Indeed! I did appreciate that Henry was sharp enough to pick up instantly how wrong that sounded. I did appreciate that Hook looked like he felt genuinely sorry for how confused Henry must be. And I appreciated that he told Emma that Henry should know who his father was. Basically, I appreciate Hook displaying real emotions about Neal and/or Henry, as opposed to just constantly moping about his emotions for Emma.
Now if only he’d come clean about his history with Bae. He thinks Henry deserves to know the truth about his father, but he still doesn’t want everyone to know the full truth about himself and Henry’s father.
Now if only he’d come clean about his history with Bae. He thinks Henry deserves to know the truth about his father, but he still doesn’t want everyone to know the full truth about himself and Henry’s father.
Which is what bothers me. The writers make Regina and Rumple bear the consequence of their crimes every season. Hook doesn’t get a pass from me. It’s sloppy character development.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So the ratings went up, oh great im seing the fans, writers and network happy bc with no neal the ratings actually go up, although i think was much due to the fact that they made alot about the showdown, and a friend show me many people saying that they saw bc they thought that neal would be brought to live, guess we need to see next week.
Although they were clever , and the reason why the death was so soon, bc after were all powerfull episodes, and they decided that way so this way no one remenbers neal anymore bc the viewers will be interested on the story.
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It seemed to be a parodic episode. Very short funeral, no dialogue, Henry looked totally lost, and the fact that Rumple is not here and that Hook, the man who took Neal’s mom away and who handed him to Peter Pan, is the first to dump some dirt on his coffin, is a complete insult to the character.
But I am really tired of being mad at the writers and of thinking that the show is dead since 315 etc… I want to believe that it’s not over for Neal and for SF. Remember, “everything happens for a reason”, I simply can’t believe that the reason for Neal’s death is just the WW’s name. Moreover, the writers have drawn too many parallels between SF and Philora and between Neal and Anastasia from OUATinWL, and it’s all leading to solutions to bring Neal back. I don’t think that H&K’s tweets were meant to make fun of anyone, I can’t remember what they said, but I’m starting to think they’re dropping hints. After all, it is way too risky for them to completely go against their show, against its principles; just look at the petition asking for Neal’s return that gathered more than 1,200 signatures in only 3 days.
We should make a list of all these clues, and you’ll see that all your theories are not that cracked.
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The thing that’s stuck in my brain about the second chances thing is that it was stated blatantly in this ep. The phrase from Neal’s promo poster was stated blatantly as a theme for the central storyline in S3B. They knew when they made those promo posters what the themes of each half season would be, (A&E likely pitched S3A as being about belief and S3B being about second chances). We all said his hand was in his pocket because of the swan pendant, and whaddya know, in S3B he pulled the swan pendant out of his pocket. And now his slogan is being used as one of the show’s big themes. I’m not necessarily sayin’, but I’m just sayin’, maybe Zelena will achieve her second chance at life, and a by product of whatever she does will be Neal getting a second chance at life too. I mean, it’d actually fit quite nicely, thematically speaking. (If they don’t bring him back then obviously the poster is just a sick joke, but I’m just sayin’.)
We should make a list of all these clues, and you’ll see that all your theories are not that cracked.
How about how it’s a total 180 from the story of the first two seasons?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Are any of you still interested in anything about this show anymore?
As the story currently stands, no, I’m no longer interested. I don’t want to watch a story that touts the power of hope, true love, and happy endings but then calls curtains on a truly sacrificial lamb like Neal. No happy endings for the truly contrite, but the selfish get exactly what they want. Is there no justice to be had? That is not the show I fell in love with in season one. Maybe the reward for Neal is heaven, but I’m not even sure if such a place exists in OUAT.
The thing that’s stuck in my brain about the second chances thing is that it was stated blatantly in this ep. The phrase from Neal’s promo poster was stated blatantly as a theme for the central storyline in S3B. They knew when they made those promo posters what the themes of each half season would be, (A&E likely pitched S3A as being about belief and S3B being about second chances). We all said his hand was in his pocket because of the swan pendant, and whaddya know, in S3B he pulled the swan pendant out of his pocket. And now his slogan is being used as one of the show’s big themes. I’m not necessarily sayin’, but I’m just sayin’, maybe Zelena will achieve her second chance at life, and a by product of whatever she does will be Neal getting a second chance at life too. I mean, it’d actually fit quite nicely, thematically speaking. (If they don’t bring him back then obviously the poster is just a sick joke, but I’m just sayin’.)
While Neal getting his second chance would be a good way to redeem the message of the story, I still feel like it would be extremely contrived. The mark of a good story is not to be sensationalistic for the sake of shock-value. To me, the mark of a truly excellent story would be to have Neal’s ending be truly meaningful. The more natural completion of Neal’s story arc would have been to die in 2×21, having given up his life so that Henry wouldn’t have to grow up like he and Emma did. That would have been a just end, because Neal would’ve actually died for noble reasons. This ending where Neal made the same mistake as his father, by rashly saying to **** with consequences, is to vilify an otherwise noble character. Neal’s demise was self-inflicted, though of course manipulated by Zelena, and seemed uncharacteristic since Neal was Baelfire and knew better than anyone the steep price of dark magic. Neal grew up alone, without a father, all because of Rumple’s mistakes. The sins of the father fell upon the son, which is unfair. The message that 3×15 seems to be that life is cruel and then you die. That is my rather longwinded way of saying that even if the writers reverse history and bring back Baelfire, it still comes across as shoddy writing.
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