Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[dontstopbelievin]

I dunno, but I find myself reading this thread and over and over I say to myself, “Phee’s my girl!” (And I mean that in a totally non-creepy way, because I think it sounds soooo wrong typed like that. Rather – I feel like we are of the same mind about all of this!!)

I need to finish this long post I am trying to write, I keep distracting myself. I am at this point SO curious as to what I am actually going to find when I watch tomorrow’s episode, because some things I take one way and some another, but ultimately, I am left at, the jury’s still out. I am just not sure this is over, or as cut and dried as it appears. I am just not sure they are going to be able to adequately wrap and explain this story as it needs to be, either. Sigh.

[RumplesGirl]

I dunno, but I find myself reading this thread and over and over I say to myself, “Phee’s my girl!” (And I mean that in a totally non-creepy way, because I think it sounds soooo wrong typed like that. Rather – I feel like we are of the same mind about all of this!!)

I kid you not, it has been a rumor for years now that Phee is ACTUALLY Jane Espenson. I don’t remember how it came up, but we decided it one day.

I need to finish this long post I am trying to write, I keep distracting myself. I am at this point SO curious as to what I am actually going to find when I watch tomorrow’s episode, because some things I take one way and some another, but ultimately, I am left at, the jury’s still out. I am just not sure this is over, or as cut and dried as it appears. I am just not sure they are going to be able to adequately wrap and explain this story as it needs to be, either. Sigh.

Do eeeeeeet

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

One thing I noticed, speaking of Good Form.

Hook tells Emma and Regina “it’s not good form to spy on an intimate moment” (speaking about Eriel)

Then moments later….spying on Emma and co at Granny’s. Bad form indeed, Captain

Yeah, that was some pretty blatant bad form there. LOL

Oh you’re nuts, honey

I dunno, but I find myself reading this thread and over and over I say to myself, “Phee’s my girl!” (And I mean that in a totally non-creepy way, because I think it sounds soooo wrong typed like that. Rather – I feel like we are of the same mind about all of this!!)

LOL 😉 Gotta admit, I’m glad there are others out there who share my mindset on this hot mess.

[RumplesGirl]

Schmacky watched 317. Little review from him/her

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[dontstopbelievin]

I haven’t watched last night’s episode yet, but I am at such a… dichotomy of minds about this whole thing. About everything, about the whole season since about 314.

I keep going back and forth, back and forth, between, “this is garbage,” and, “This show was brilliant, so brilliant, from 101 even through 312 or 313, it seems so strange now, they MUST have a plan. There must be a point.”

And it’s that latter feeling, which I keep going back to, that has me yelling Phee’s shenanigans, or, it’s not over. There is more to this story.

Today it dawned on me, as I rolled everyone’s reactions to 317 around in my brain, that if this really is all as it appears – if 315-317 is as a result of ABC mandating CS – then I actually have a huge amount of empathy for A&E. How much must it suck to spend ten years planning something, to lay it out carefully, to play it out for 2.5 years, then to be told if you want to keep your job you have to destroy it all? I just can’t muster anger. Because after last night, it seems to me there are two options: this is all a grand plan (albeit poorly executed,) or A&E are victims much like we are. They can say “we ship the show” all we like, but when the SF family is the central axis around which the show rotates, I am pretty sure that means they inherently ship the SF family dynamic, and being required to destroy it for an ancellary character and alternate story just sucks. Their ship will have sunk, too. Weird that the option which permits my ship being repaired actually makes me angrier, you know, that this is all a plan and they are doing a hack job of it – while the option that precludes my ship sailing elicits sympathy. Funny stuff.

Anyways, I have this poem metaphor, that keeps echoing through my head – this is how the SF poem reads to me –

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that, the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I
I do not like green eggs and ham
I do not like them, Sam I am

Pizza
Donkey
Watermelon
Blarrgle

(Credit to Robert Frost, Dr. Seuss and RG – with honorable mention to textbookone – for words stolen and not credited as mine.)

Seriously. This is the poem of SF. It was beautiful, and then ended up ridiculous. Ridiculous! *WHAT HAPPENED?!* Do you accidentally end a poem that way? Of course you don’t! Surely, these writers can see that this is what they have done to their poetic story of the savior of the curse, falling for the reason of the curse, beginning on the road to forgiveness… turning to the reason meeting his demise and her turning to the pirate who destroyed his family? Surely, surely they do not intend for this to be the story the show is telling. I just… they can’t. They can’t intend that.

So I go back, again, to there being a plan here. Season 1 was brilliant, we can all agree on that. Every bit was meticulously planned; some day I am going to plot my way through the SF story as it began *in 101.* It was so well laid out. So then, I get stuck on this – two things were introduced in S1 that we are seeing play out on our screens: Oz & the character of Baelfire. That thread, linked pages back, about balefire – it is too much to be a coincidence. I have read, and read, the Wheel of Time info, trying to grasp the general concepts as best I can without reading the books. It’s… too exact. It is not coincidental that we have a dark one, a Baelfire, a dreamcatcher of importance (pattern weave,) etc. This tells me they had always planned for the concept of balefire, this burning back of someone’s thread, of changing the past without turning back time, to be important.

When Once was begun, A&E knew they would some day be going to Oz. I venture to guess, they had an idea of how Oz would play out. They also, clearly, intended for the concept of balefire to be important given that they named a character after it. Did they plan to put the two in the same arc? Not sure, but if they did – and for the sake of this argument let’s say they did – it doesn’t seem insane that they would intend for Baelfire to be important in their story about balefire and Oz. Which incidentally would have been planned out long before S2/S3 hiatus, so perhaps then this was the plan all along, along with return, and the character to die for real – demanded by story – has yet to come? I think there are a few breadcrumbs that indicate this is the case, but the entire fanbase has glommed onto the Neal thing as the real deal, and as well they should. I still posture A&E would have a strong case for trolling their own fanbase!

(Oh ha ha, I made a Hansel & Gretel funny… remind me to ramble on about True North one of these days… <3)

Roomies and I were talking yesterday, and one of them pointed out how odd it is to kill the namesake character as they embark on this story about balefire. She has an excellent point. Why kill Baelfire right before you introduce balefire, if it was an important enough concept to name a character after it? One thing that is notable to me, about this balefire/Baelfire business, is that when they wrote Neal's POS death - they made it happen *in the past.* They retroactively killed him; although he died on Emma's lap, he had really died a year prior. In essence, they balefired Baelfire. That is... not accidental.

(An aside - I do wonder, though, those of you have have read WoT - I understand and can grasp the process via which someone can be resurrected, if the person who killed them is balefired to before the time of their death. Can, likewise, someone be un...created? In particular, I am wondering, if someone is balefired to a time before the existance of their child, will that child still exist? I'm a little confused by the fact that the character is retroactively killed, and some things are changed, but time still continues moving forward, and how that affects things. Of course it's likely a moot point, since Once will not likely follow all of the rules - they will probably apply the general concept of balefire but call it something else and use it in a totally different way - but I am just curious.)

There is also the interesting point that in 312, the dreamcatcher in the apartment had a broken portion. The weave was broken, then; understanding the WoT balefire/dreamcatcher bit makes the oddness of the broken dreamcatcher make sense in the sense that it is a tie-in. I don't know what of it, yet, but it is there. There is also the dreamcatcher imagery in Emma's nursery; the mobile, which we have seen a million time, is seen for the first time from above in Charming's nightmare. As the room madly spins, we see the mobile from above, and realize it is a dreamcatcher pattern - and I realized as I rewatched it *the whole entire nursery* is done in dreamcatcher patterns. Incidentally we notice this in a nightmare - the dreamcatcher is flypaper for nightmares - but we have seen in 312 that the dreamcatcher has broken threads. So we have now tied the dreamcatcher - an unarguably SF symbol - into the very fiber of Emma's nursery. Yet, it is torn, so in comes her greatest nightmare. There's something there, in fact, I think there's a lot there, but I can't get myself to a place where I can unpack it - and perhaps it's because we need to yet see how 3B plays out to make it make sense. There's just a lot to that, and it has been almost wholly ignored.

So... yeah. These are the things that run through my mind. After 317, after reading everyone's reaction last night, I started to resign myself to the fact that it is all just a pile of dog dirt, and really, the show has taken that dreaded hard left turn. But then back around to this I came. And it took enchantedfan's post - just that one little glimmer of light - that I am not the only one who thinks things are not exactly as they seem. So I ramble, here, again, in case there is someone out there reading who is of this same mind, but starting to question themselves... because I am choosing to believe that there is a possibility (however slim) that the geniuses who are responsible for things like Manhattan (<3) have not completely gone loopy, and they may have a method to the madness. I may not LIKE the method, but perhaps, there is hope that there is an end that they feel justifies the means. Even if I hate the means, perhaps, maybe, just a tiny maybe, I will like the end.

There is this quote, from Arthur Conan Doyle, that has been instrumental to me in some really, really bizarre circumstances - Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. I have seen that improable truth be wacky and weird, yet still be the truth, so perhaps that’s why I’m willing to give this situation the benefit of the doubt. I’d like to paraphrase that a bit, to explain where I am, and alter it to say – Once you eliminate the improbable, whatever remains, no matter how unlikely, may be the truth. I would like to posture that it’s improbable A&E just forgot their own story overnight. It is not impossible – perhaps they did, and of course there is the significant possibility ABC has trashed the whole thing – but I am coming around to the idea that it is far more likely they are just taking a way roundabout way to tell their own story.

Anyways. That sums up my mindset right now, and from whence the insanity comes. I understand, without hesitation, all of my #nohope friends. I hope it makes a bit more sense where this #dontstopbelievin friend comes from. 🙂

Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...

[dontstopbelievin]

Pssst, it’s page 1111. Make a wish!

Cause this story needs some mending & a better happy ending...

[textbookone]

*closes eyes and wishes really hard*

EDIT: Aww…. I’m on page 1112… no wish for me. 🙁

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[lecygne]

*closes eyes and wishes really hard*

EDIT: Aww…. I’m on page 1112… no wish for me.

But you were post 11,111! I hope your wish was good, Text!!!!

[Phee]

Seriously. This is the poem of SF. It was beautiful, and then ended up ridiculous. Ridiculous! *WHAT HAPPENED?!* Do you accidentally end a poem that way? Of course you don’t! Surely, these writers can see that this is what they have done to their poetic story of the savior of the curse, falling for the reason of the curse, beginning on the road to forgiveness… turning to the reason meeting his demise and her turning to the pirate who destroyed his family? Surely, surely they do not intend for this to be the story the show is telling. I just… they can’t. They can’t intend that.

OMG that poem was an excellent example of what happened to the show!

Roomies and I were talking yesterday, and one of them pointed out how odd it is to kill the namesake character as they embark on this story about balefire. She has an excellent point. Why kill Baelfire right before you introduce balefire, if it was an important enough concept to name a character after it? One thing that is notable to me, about this balefire/Baelfire business, is that when they wrote Neal’s POS death – they made it happen *in the past.* They retroactively killed him; although he died on Emma’s lap, he had really died a year prior. In essence, they balefired Baelfire. That is… not accidental.

Yeah that’s been playing on my mind as well. I mean, I know that even if they used WoT for inspiration, they won’t label what happens on the show as being “baelfire”, but if in their own minds, that’s where the idea came from, then it really doesn’t make sense that they’d show a story about baelfire which allows for the undoing of events, and not use it as a means to undo something bad that happened to their Baelfire. It just doesn’t compute. What DOES compute is that they would use the concept of baelfire in a storyline that BOOSTS their Baelfire towards something positive.

There is also the interesting point that in 312, the dreamcatcher in the apartment had a broken portion. The weave was broken, then; understanding the WoT balefire/dreamcatcher bit makes the oddness of the broken dreamcatcher make sense in the sense that it is a tie-in. I don’t know what of it, yet, but it is there.

The broken dreamcatcher being foreshadowing for the broken pattern and the descent into hopelessness that has rapidly occurred would be a very nice touch, if it was indeed intentional.

Once you eliminate the improbable, whatever remains, no matter how unlikely, may be the truth. I would like to posture that it’s improbable A&E just forgot their own story overnight. It is not impossible – perhaps they did, and of course there is the significant possibility ABC has trashed the whole thing – but I am coming around to the idea that it is far more likely they are just taking a way roundabout way to tell their own story.

The destination is still the same as it always was, they’re just taking a detour through a very dark and dangerous forest. Question is, even if they do come out the other side, will they have lost a lot of people on the detour that they’ll never get back, regardless of the eventual outcome?

*closes eyes and wishes really hard*

EDIT: Aww…. I’m on page 1112… no wish for me.

When I submitted one of my posts back on page 1111, I happened to look at the time, and it was 1:11. You’d better believe I made a wish. LOL

[textbookone]

*whispers* I can’t tell you or it won’t come true…

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