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There is SO much perfection in that poem analogy that I can’t even handle it. A beautiful poetic story turned into Dr. Suess nonsense right before our eyes…they can’t really have gone that route without ABC interfering or them actually having a bigger plan that we don’t know about yet. I trust these guys about as far as I can throw them at this point but if they actually do pull something big off at the end of the season, I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t give them enough credit (even though at this point I want MRJ to stay as far away from this show as humanly possible since I don’t want him mixed up in the crap that it’s become lately). Meh. I’m at a point where I almost don’t want to watch until the end of S3B but I do want to see where the heck they’re taking this slop so I’ll watch but I’m now watching like I did both Heroes and Glee in their season 3 arcs. I just want to see where it ends up at the finale.
It snowed at my house today. I don’t know what’s more traumatizing for me right now….this show’s stories or the snow outside my house, LOL 😉
#MoreBOOMLessGloomToday it dawned on me, as I rolled everyone’s reactions to 317 around in my brain, that if this really is all as it appears – if 315-317 is as a result of ABC mandating CS – then I actually have a huge amount of empathy for A&E. How much must it suck to spend ten years planning something, to lay it out carefully, to play it out for 2.5 years, then to be told if you want to keep your job you have to destroy it all?
Hm.
Good point. Though Adam has always maintained that he and Eddy are going to tell their story and their story alone….but really. Would they come out and say “ABC fiddled with it”
Seriously. This is the poem of SF. It was beautiful, and then ended up ridiculous. Ridiculous! *WHAT HAPPENED?!* Do you accidentally end a poem that way? Of course you don’t! Surely, these writers can see that this is what they have done to their poetic story of the savior of the curse, falling for the reason of the curse, beginning on the road to forgiveness… turning to the reason meeting his demise and her turning to the pirate who destroyed his family? Surely, surely they do not intend for this to be the story the show is telling. I just… they can’t. They can’t intend that.
I like the way you ended the poem. Nice way to illustrate your point
There is also the interesting point that in 312, the dreamcatcher in the apartment had a broken portion. The weave was broken, then; understanding the WoT balefire/dreamcatcher bit makes the oddness of the broken dreamcatcher make sense in the sense that it is a tie-in. I don’t know what of it, yet, but it is there. There is also the dreamcatcher imagery in Emma’s nursery; the mobile, which we have seen a million time, is seen for the first time from above in Charming’s nightmare. As the room madly spins, we see the mobile from above, and realize it is a dreamcatcher pattern – and I realized as I rewatched it *the whole entire nursery* is done in dreamcatcher patterns. Incidentally we notice this in a nightmare – the dreamcatcher is flypaper for nightmares – but we have seen in 312 that the dreamcatcher has broken threads. So we have now tied the dreamcatcher – an unarguably SF symbol – into the very fiber of Emma’s nursery. Yet, it is torn, so in comes her greatest nightmare. There’s something there, in fact, I think there’s a lot there, but I can’t get myself to a place where I can unpack it – and perhaps it’s because we need to yet see how 3B plays out to make it make sense. There’s just a lot to that, and it has been almost wholly ignored.
YES. Which is why it will take a lot to convince me that something didn’t abruptly change around 3×11.
would like to posture that it’s improbable A&E just forgot their own story overnight. It is not impossible – perhaps they did, and of course there is the significant possibility ABC has trashed the whole thing – but I am coming around to the idea that it is far more likely they are just taking a way roundabout way to tell their own story.
Well argued. For me, it’s a mix of ABC/ Social media pressure/ business.
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Everything they’re doing with Hook right now is painting him in a worse and worse light as a suitable suitor. He’s teaching Henry to cheat so you always win, Emma’s opinion of him is changing based on something good he let her believe about a situation, when the truth about the situation is that he chose to kill a man instead of doing the right thing that Emma thinks he did.
I could see how the writers are continuing to paint Hook as a conflicted man who struggles. Hook killing a rival pirate is totally in keeping with his swashbuckling persona. The thing that has me saying, “WTH Emma?” is her insistence that it doesn’t matter Hook lied to her. It’s almost as though Emma is willing herself to believe only what she wants to believe. Hook has the wool pulled down over Emma’s eyes, and even though she suspects it, she turns a blind eye! She saw Ariel and Eric in a mirror and suddenly she’s giving Hook all the credit? WTH Emma?!?
And don’t get me wrong, I LIKED that they had Hook kill Blackbeard because PIRATE so it felt in character, which Hook hasn’t felt to me in ages. But would they seriously be writing him this way if they’re intending to make him the TL of the freaking Saviour?
This is HOOK who left Emma for dead (TWICE)! This is the guy whom Emma just detected was LYING to her and leaving out important details again about the missing year! How could she possibly be content to take his word for it? Maybe she just likes his obsession for her? Yet, for all Emma knows, Hook could be in league with Zelena. As a mother, how can Emma even risk it? Hook flat out REFUSED to tell her the truth. That is NOT a basis of a trusting relationship! The writers had better not be trying to tell women that what Emma and Hook have is TL, because it’s not. It’s a borderline unhealthy obsession on Hook’s end, and as for Emma, she’s got her pretty little eyes wide shut!
Hook making someone walk the plank is totally in keeping with his Disney persona who was despicable and made Wendy walk the plank. So it doesn’t come as a surprise that he’d do that. Again what is most troublesome is Emma’s tolerance and even acceptance of Hook’s lies. If he lies about the small things, who’s to say he isn’t lying about the big things? How could Emma, as a mother, NOT care about what skeletons are in Hook’s closet? A woman who just blindly ignores red flags as she enters into a relationship is a foolish woman indeed! Emma choosing to see only the nice parts of Hook is like a woman who thinks her “pet” tiger is just a big, cuddly softie, that is up until she discovers that her “pet” is actually a wild animal with the capacity to kill. Emma has blinders on where Hook is concerned, and by the sounds of it, is letting her emotions impair her judgement. While I fear for Emma’s poor decision making as it concerns her, what is even more alarming is her poor decisions when it comes to Henry!
Wouldn’t REGINA, who has very little tolerance for Hook after he left her to be tortured by Greg, voice more complaints? If I were Regina I’d be up in arms over the way Emma is willfully turning a blind eye towards the kind of man she allows to associate with THEIR son. If I were Regina, I’d be doing everything in my power to try and get Henry to remember the truth! I’d be knocking on the Blue Fairy’s door for a potion and I’d be giving that book of fairytales back to Henry to try and jog his memory. Regina needs to intervene ASAP before Hook sells Henry to Zelena like he did Baelfire to Peter Pan.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The thing that has me saying, “WTH Emma?” is her insistence that it doesn’t matter Hook flat lied to her.
Coupled with the fact that Emma is suddenly tired of living in the past.
At the drop of a hat, it’s like she became a different person altogether.
Wouldn’t REGINA, who has very little tolerance for Hook after he left her to be tortured by Greg, voice more complaints? If I were Regina I’d be up in arms over the way Emma is willfully turning a blind eye towards the kind of man she allows to associate with THEIR son. If I were Regina, I’d be doing everything in my power to try and get Henry to remember the truth! I’d be knocking on the Blue Fairy’s door for a potion and I’d be giving that book of fairytales back to Henry to try and jog his memory. Regina needs to intervene ASAP before Hook sells Henry to Zelena like he did Baelfire to Peter Pan.
I did like how Regina voiced some concern about how Hook is prone to violence when Emma mentioned that he and Henry were spending time together. And yeah, why isn’t Regina taking matters into her own hands and going the BF herself…?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The only problem I have with it is people (including the writers if they make this relationship happen) thinking that this portrayal of Hook makes him an acceptable romantic partner for the freaking born of pure TL Saviour, and an acceptable father figure for her son. Because, just, NO. And I’d like to think that the writers, for all their faults, aren’t that oblivious to how they’re portraying Hook as being a bad example, and they’re deliberately writing him that way because in the end nothing will come of it.
I’d like to think that too, but these are the same writers who thought it would be acceptable to bring about Neal’s untimely death in a most uncharacteristic way. These are the same writers who made a taser be able to travel through wood. These are the writers who rebooted Pinocchio. These are the same writers who introduced GOAT and then wrote them out just as fast. These are the writers who introduced Neverland only to have Hook and Peter Pan hardly even interact. These are the same writers who murdered Neal just to identify the Wicked Witch all because they wrote the Charmings as too thick to see the forest through the trees. These are the writers who couldn’t think of anything better for Belle to do than just sit idly by for nearly 2 seasons.
Let’s face it. The only smart characters left on this show are Rumplestiltksin, Regina, Zelena, and even Hook. They’re cunning, morally ambiguous characters who get all the best, wittiest zingers. They have the best plots. As “the savior” Emma could have a lot of cool potential like learning magic with Regina, but then she goes and lets her schoolgirl crush get the better of her by letting Henry associate with Hook. David and Snow aren’t any better, and they are in fact, quite dumb for letting Henry drive. Belle has been largely inactive all season and seems more content to be a bookworm and read about adventures than actually have them. She disliked being left behind in SB while everyone else was in NL, but she’s not done much so far since everyone returned to SB. Maybe she is researching more how to take down Zelena, but so far, she hasn’t shown that spark of real enthusiasm. *sigh*
How are we supposed to root for the “heroes” when they either die gratuitously (cough Neal cough), are too dumb to see when the Wicked Witch is right in front of them (cough Charmings cough), are content to hide away in a pawn shop (cough Belle cough), or are willfully turning a blind eye about the pirate who lies (cough Emma cough)?!?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Wouldn’t REGINA, who has very little tolerance for Hook after he left her to be tortured by Greg, voice more complaints? If I were Regina I’d be up in arms over the way Emma is willfully turning a blind eye towards the kind of man she allows to associate with THEIR son.
Saw a post on tumblr before about the distasteful look Regina had and how she suggested the check the mirror to validate his story. She doesn’t trust him, and it just makes me believe even more that Regina and Emma were scheming right before Hook knocked on the door, and Emma’s scamming him, playing nice so he’ll spill what he knows.
Saw a post on tumblr before about the distasteful look Regina had and how she suggested the check the mirror to validate his story. She doesn’t trust him, and it just makes me believe even more that Regina and Emma were scheming right before Hook knocked on the door, and Emma’s scamming him, playing nice so he’ll spill what he knows.
That would be a welcomed twist. Sadly, I just have very little faith in the writers’ ability. It’s as if the writers are under the same spell as Emma is, making a morally grey character into a “man of honor” and killing off the real man of honor (Neal) and in a most OOC way. It’s like up is down and down is up. Maybe the writers are going for a surrealist interpretation of life, love and morality, in which case, they’re doing a great job. Otherwise, as far as an epic, heroic tale is concerned, I’d say they’re doing a terrible job.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Let’s face it. The only smart characters left on this show are Rumplestiltksin, Regina, Zelena, and even Hook. They’re cunning, morally ambiguous characters who get all the best, wittiest zingers. They have the best plots.
It’s one the problems in the DNA of ONCE overall. Somewhere along the line, the show stopped focusing on the heroes and instead focused on the pain of the anti-heroes. As someone who does love Rumple, I can’t complain too much, but I don’t want it to be at the expense of the integrity of the heroes. What they’ve done to Snow and Charming is just…insulting to how awesome they used to be.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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