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Well I hope MRJ is aware of the part of the fandom that loved his character on this show, no matter how small that section may be, and if he ever has the time, I still say they should have a little seance (sp?) scene where Henry gets to speak to his father one last time and Rumpel gets to speak to his son one last time.
They have Zelena and I assume they have the DO vault key so it could happen. Plus its not like he’d actually have to come on set to film the scene, it could be done in some studio wherever and the footage shipped over and edited, yada yada yada. If he’d agree to that id be the happiest witch in all the realm.
I swear I can’t even rewatch certain scenes from True Blood season 1 because it feels so weird looking at MRJ be this character I know is a murderer (and ya know…other things if you’ve read the books) without thinking about Neal T_T its really weird.
Just like seeing Robert Carlyle as evil wizard thing guy on Eragon is still weird too.[adrotate group="5"]"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICIt just seems wrong to have a character want to pursue a relationship with their murderer.
Yeah, I just could not in good conscience want Neal to have any sort of sympathy for the person that was not only responsible for his death, but gets off on gloating about it. Just…no.
I’m in the camp who believes that MRJ has moved on career wise, and likely wouldn’t want to go back for a second round of potentially having his character screwed over by A&E. He put alot of consideration and heart into how he portrayed Neal, and the writers were all, “Yeah thanks dude, soz but we’re just gonna toss your hard work in the trash now coz we’re totes done with Neal.” I imagine that’s gotta be a pretty disappointing thing for an actor to experience.
In a perfect world, would I love them to find a way to bring Neal back and fix their story that they so spectacularly screwed up? Yes, of course. But in reality, I just think they went a bridge too far, then they burned the bridge, and there’s nothing left but a gaping chasm that can’t be traversed again.
Yes, of course. But in reality, I just think they went a bridge too far, then they burned the bridge, and there’s nothing left but a gaping chasm that can’t be traversed again.
Yeah that sums it up
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes, of course. But in reality, I just think they went a bridge too far, then they burned the bridge, and there’s nothing left but a gaping chasm that can’t be traversed again.
Yeah that sums it up
Yeah, I agree with both of you. There are three things I know for sure about this show and I will never change my mind about any of them:
1. SwanFire was their true endgame but they were forced to change it by the network.
2. Neal will NEVER come back to this show (and honestly, as much as I love him, I don’t want MRJ anywhere near this crap and I certainly don’t want them to get another crack at ruining his character).
3. The two trolls are crappy writers and IMO are now trying to kill their own show because they’re so disgusted with it.
#MoreBOOMLessGloomI agree that the writers burned the bridge, exploded a bomb and set off a nuclear no-go zone around adult Neal, but I would not mind for them to find a little inspiration from a different Abrahams creation, Fringe.
We have had alternate realities, time travel and even the suggestion that there are many worlds in Hat Trick, which sounded like library books with that long line wording Hatter had. Why not just acknowledge fan fiction is a thing, as they did with page 23 experimental writing, which never officially occurred but someone or something dropped in Robin’s way? It is one of those mysteries the show did not really explain, and while it is ok to leave some things mysterious, others really beg for explanation as it gets in the way of suspension of disbelief. Or rather it feels like the writers just do this story-go round style and writer A makes a thing important and then writer B takes a different tack, ignores the thing altogether and invents new plot device, then C writes new context for the thing that changes the meaning of it, until D comes along and implies it was all an elaborate scheme of some character pretending for some nefarious purpose we do not yet know, but just wait, only we never do find out, and it does not matter as no one cares anymore because you know, new problems and bigger fish to fry. Sort of like the whole thing with Chernabog, and the Dark Curse.
So I think they should take a beat from LOST and FRinge, and find out the whole there is only one author, who must only record and not create is actually stifling the universe because it all stems from Evil original Dark One Arthur/Sorceror who wants to control fate according to his rules, erasing the realities that used to exist in more infinite variety, possibility and lands of imagination. Henry can then do some magical believer thing, all the blank books can be restored in the mansion, and we can find in one of them that a version of Neal is still alive because of some magic mumbo jumbo about the whole magic used to resurrect Rumple being superseded by the destruction of the Dark One curse, along with the vault and all that, then we cut to Henry holding some magical thing, quill, book or hat, going to NY, knocking on a door but we never actually see MRJ, just hear Charlie’s Girl, and the door opens to a new happier beginning, with Henry smiling and saying something like what he said to Emma in the pilot, but it implies it is being said to Neal. No ruffling shipper feathers since it is a quasi-alternate world, and people can believe what they want about the “true” ending and what it all really means.
I simply do not see MRJ wanting to return even for a cameo, but maybe Dylan could play a different, older young Baelfire.
The loudest fans like to claim how hated and unpopular Neal was, but there is plenty of evidence that the character did strike a chord with many, and some of the ones who claim Neal was universally despised happen to be pretty openly disparaging about pretty much every character other than their fave, whether that is Regina or Killian, but usually one of those two. Robin gets a lot of flack too, judging by the reaction in comments to Sean being made a regular, and I think what MRJ faced was similar. Few characters are universally loved, some people love to hate, but just like they kind-of-sort of fixed the hatchet job done to August, maybe they can do the same for Neal? Note, they did not change the bad writing and lack of importance to the story or the sense of wholesale retcons, with much unsaid onscreen, but where August is now at least suggests he is plausibly happy offscreen within current continuity. That is really all I would want for Neal, because it is obvious the writing team does not care about creating an ongoing story for the character, or even filling in the blanks of the one they had started to tell.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
3. The two trolls are crappy writers and IMO are now trying to kill their own show because they’re so disgusted with it.
I think they have just shifted their focus from the original idea to appease their fans and the show is suffering for it. In our opinions. The ones being appeased see it all going on an upward slope, while we see it tumbling it down. A&E get paid to keep fans happy, I suppose and thats what they’re doing. But the ratings have dropped hilariously so I guess their plan isn’t working.
and some of the ones who claim Neal was universally despised happen to be pretty openly disparaging about pretty much every character other than their fave, whether that is Regina or Killian, but usually one of those two
Oh sweet sea goddess, THIS!
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICQuestion: How do you think Emma would act towards Rumple once she is no longer the dark one and everything has calmed down in Storybrooke?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixQuestion: How do you think Emma would act towards Rumple once she is no longer the dark one and everything has calmed down in Storybrooke?
Do you mean Emma or Pod! Emma?
Cause the Emma who told Rumple that he was family and she would save him is not the same creature we’ve witnessed lately. That Emma would go and talk to Rumple about what it was like to have such darkness inside you. That Emma would tell everyone to back the FRACK off of Rumple when they begin tearing him down about the misdeeds he’s committed and how untrust worthy he is. That Emma would tell everyone from Regina to Snow and Charming that they were not so innocent and that they too have committed their fair share of sin.
Pod!Emma will give no craps about Rumple–just like she gives very few craps about her child, her child’s dead father, or anything that is not directly related to the arc of the moment.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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