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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • October 8, 2015 at 7:14 pm #309535
    Slurpeez
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     This isn’t just about Hook wanting to free Emma from the dark one curse, this is Hook rejecting Emma just because there’s something “wrong” with her. That is not true love at all. That is not even love.

    Boom! This! All of this!

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    October 8, 2015 at 7:18 pm #309537
    RumplesGirl
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    I would muster up the energy to talk about how misogynistic that sneak peak is but frankly I can’t even be bothered because it’s just one more drop in a vast ocean

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    October 8, 2015 at 10:30 pm #309546
    nevermore
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    Adding this part in this thread because I’m less likely to be yelled at here: I find that scene of Emma and Hook to have an undertone of a domestic abuse vibe about it. Because Emma isn’t the woman Hook wants her to be, Emma feels like she has to apologise to him. She wants to talk and have lunch with him “like old times” but he’s not interested. It’s only when she puts on her Sandra dee form (which a lot of us ages ago said didn’t suit the Emma Swan we met in season 1,2 or 3A) that Hook allows her to have lunch with him. It’s like he’s trying to diminish her sense of self-esteem.

    Yup on all counts. I think (or rather, hope) that Emma’s playing Hook here, but still. The scene does make me think that @Slurpeez is right — and that this is a conscious decision on the part of the writers to show that Hook’s feelings for Emma become tenuous the moment his own sense of self is put at risk. Whether it’s because he feels less of a man with a more assertive Emma, or whether it’s because he wants her in the redeemer role, rather than as a reminder of his own past doesn’t really matter. It seems to suggest that when push comes to shove, Emma is a prop in the story he’s telling himself about himself. (At this point I’m having a hard time imagining that the writers are suffering from accidental misogyny but who knows with this show)

    October 8, 2015 at 10:36 pm #309547
    Jiminy’s Journal
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    Adding this part in this thread because I’m less likely to be yelled at here: I find that scene of Emma and Hook to have an undertone of a domestic abuse vibe about it. Because Emma isn’t the woman Hook wants her to be, Emma feels like she has to apologise to him. She wants to talk and have lunch with him “like old times” but he’s not interested. It’s only when she puts on her Sandra dee form (which a lot of us ages ago said didn’t suit the Emma Swan we met in season 1,2 or 3A) that Hook allows her to have lunch with him. It’s like he’s trying to diminish her sense of self-esteem.

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    “Like old times.” What, like season 2? Ah, yes; great times. Great times.

    So, in browsing Anti-CS tags on Tumblr, I have found that people are comparing the Codfish to Gaston, even claiming he, not Sir Gaston, is the real Gaston.

    October 8, 2015 at 11:27 pm #309553
    TheWatcher
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    So, in browsing Anti-CS tags on Tumblr, I have found that people are comparing the Codfish to Gaston, even claiming he, not Sir Gaston, is the real Gaston.

    I recall that was a thing awhile ago, as well as comparing him to mutton chops guy from Frozen (Hans? Was it Hans?)

    At least we know we aren’t alone in what we see about the pirate.

    In other news, is my avatar green? It keeps, like, turning green but idk if it just my computer?

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    October 9, 2015 at 12:45 am #309559
    Jiminy’s Journal
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    In other news, is my avatar green? It keeps, like, turning green but idk if it just my computer?

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    It’s just your computer. Try closing the window and reopening the page.

    October 9, 2015 at 7:19 am #309561
    RumplesGirl
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    Hook is often compared to Gaston. In fact this thread did just that like maybe 1000 pages back??

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    October 9, 2015 at 10:43 am #309564
    Slurpeez
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    Hook is often compared to Gaston. In fact this thread did just that like maybe 1000 pages back??

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    yeah… Hook was compared to Gaston as early as S3 by many of us here. Too bad Disney Belle had more sense than did Emma Swan. And yes I realize they are fictional characters.

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    October 9, 2015 at 2:00 pm #309566
    Onyx
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    PriceofMagic wrote:

    This isn’t just about Hook wanting to free Emma from the dark one curse, this is Hook rejecting Emma just because there’s something “wrong” with her. That is not true love at all. That is not even love.

     

    So much this. True love is all about accepting each other completely. That’s why Rumbelle had it. Belle accepted Rumple even with his dark side.

    I do suspect the writers are trying to say: hey look Hook is rejecting darkness, he’s on his way to be good (or: he’s already good). However, that’s not how that scene translates at all. I think Emma is playing him though. Whatever the case, it doesn’t show love. Not Hook rejecting ‘the darkness of Emma’, nor Emma using/manipulating him to gain whatever it is she needs to gain. That’s where Rumple went wrong, remember. And he actually had someone who loved him unconditionally. But CS has their own set of rules, so nothing will come of this entire thing. They shall live happily ever after even if it kills the show.

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    October 9, 2015 at 5:18 pm #309571
    TheWatcher
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    But CS has their own set of rules, so nothing will come of this entire thing. They shall live happily ever after even if it kills the show.

    The CS fans wouldn’t have it any other way.

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