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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • October 11, 2015 at 10:26 pm #309713
    RumplesGirl
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    Wait….did CS just break up?

    If they did you know it won’t last.

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    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    October 11, 2015 at 10:31 pm #309718
    TheWatcher
    Participant
    Slurpeez wrote:

    Wait….did CS just break up?

    If they did you know it won’t last.

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    Yeah, we all know they are going to have a triumphant reunion in the end. Perhaps with a TLK.

    "I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
    Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC

    October 11, 2015 at 11:30 pm #309732
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    Emma: “All I need is your trust, I promise.”
    Hook: “I liked you the way you were. I liked your walls. I like being the man to break them down.”
    Emma: The person you found inside is still me. I have a question for you for once. Do you love me? If you tell me you don’t love me I will let you go.
    Hook: “I loved you”

    So Hook liked breaking down her walls? In other words, he only liked the thrill of the chase. That is in no way romantic (although many CS fans probably saw it that way). He liked being made to feel like a man around Princess Emma — the hero with his trophy girlfriend dressed in pink. It was really about him and his ego. He “loved” Savior Swan when he saw her as a prize to be won. Now that she’s no longer up on some shiny pedestal, he’s through with her just like that? Even though Emma wanted that cutlass, I actually think Emma was speaking from the heart and being emotionally honest in this scene. Her heart was open, and she is still someone just looking for unconditional love, which Hook doesn’t give her. He doesn’t really love Emma, which is the real reason why TLK failed.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    October 12, 2015 at 8:10 am #309757
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    So Hook liked breaking down her walls?

    LITERALLY threw a pillow at my screen last night with this CLAPTRAP. I…*shakes in anger* can’t even. For a man to say this out loud and still be thought a hero and is going to “get the girl” in the end I….*HULK FEMINIST OUT*

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    October 12, 2015 at 8:38 am #309761
    TheWatcher
    Participant

    Emma: “All I need is your trust, I promise.”
    Hook: “I liked you the way you were. I liked your walls. I like being the man to break them down.”
    Emma: The person you found inside is still me. I have a question for you for once. Do you love me? If you tell me you don’t love me I will let you go.
    Hook: “I loved you”

    So Hook liked breaking down her walls? In other words, he only liked the thrill of the chase. That is in no way romantic (although many CS fans probably saw it that way). He liked being made to feel like a man around Princess Emma — the hero with his trophy girlfriend dressed in pink. It was really about him and his ego. He “loved” Savior Swan when he saw her as a prize to be won. Now that she’s no longer up on some shiny pedestal, he’s through with her just like that? Even though Emma wanted that cutlass, I actually think Emma was speaking from the heart and being emotionally honest in this scene. Her heart was open, and she is still someone just looking for unconditional love, which Hook doesn’t give her. He doesn’t really love Emma, which is the real reason why TLK failed.

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    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <—– THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY !!!!!!!

    I just really want to know, is thos A&E coming up with what they think is a good romance or are they actually aware of what they are doing????

    I want to believe…..

    (unrelated but why the heck does my auto correct suggest “belieber” when I type believe -___-)

    "I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
    Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC

    October 12, 2015 at 8:45 am #309762
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I just really want to know, is thos A&E coming up with what they think is a good romance or are they actually aware of what they are doing????

    They aren’t aware. They are writing the way media has been written for a long time and aren’t really listening to the criticisms that people are beginning to notice and pick up on. To them, this is just how you tell a romance on TV

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    October 12, 2015 at 9:24 am #309767
    Phee
    Participant

    I just really want to know, is thos A&E coming up with what they think is a good romance or are they actually aware of what they are doing????

    Yeah, no, alas they are oblivious, they just think they’re writing an epic love story, or something.

    I almost thought I’d mis-heard the line about how he liked breaking down her walls, because surely the writers couldn’t be THAT stupid to have him say that? The fact that Jane is the one who wrote this ep makes it even more perplexing and disheartening that that line ever existed!

    October 12, 2015 at 9:28 am #309769
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I like to pretend that Jane was taken over by the same Pod People who took over Emma Swan.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    October 12, 2015 at 2:16 pm #309779
    nevermore
    Participant

    I just really want to know, is thos A&E coming up with what they think is a good romance or are they actually aware of what they are doing????

    Ok, so hearing that dialogue, my jaw literally dropped. My first instinct is to climb up on my feminist soapbox and marvel at the degree to which Hook is essentially written as an entitled frabtoy with a savior complex. I mean, safe for a bed sheet toga and a box of flunitrazepam, I’m not sure he can possible come across as any more of a “rapey” narcissist.

    On the other hand, are the writers really not aware of what they’re doing? Surely, this is their way to show some ambivalence towards Hook’s feelings for Emma (and rock the CS boat so that it’s not all smooth sailing for that particular ship). This episode is written by Jane Espensen, and while I’m not super impressed with her latest writing choices, I think she actually knows what she’s doing in terms of writing this sort of underlying patriarchy.

    Yeah, no, alas they are oblivious, they just think they’re writing an epic love story, or something.

    Unless Jane has developed a secret hatred of OUAT, and is essentially sabotaging it from the inside? Now, what I really don’t get is the way that the audience is cheering Hook in this dialogue. I mean, he’s clearly being pretty despicable! Am I missing something?

    October 12, 2015 at 2:25 pm #309780
    Ranisha Pitts
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    I went to Tumbles and this is the first thing on my dash.

    https://www.tumblr.com/lostboybae/131033231620/tv-meme-twoseven-male-characters-baelfire

    I miss that perfectly imperfect heroic lovable lost boy. I miss my Phoenix! My Baelfire, My Neal Cassidy.

     

    "I will be kind but I will speak my mind."

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