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the professional critics
The problem is that professional critics fan pander the show, they are not critic towards it , they praise and about the fans, are seen as haters that dont like a show bc their ships didnt make it, in fact there is a media that actually said that fans were messing with polls about one episode i think was 510, where teh episode got a F note from fans and the media came to say that teh episode was so good that haters were using informatic ways to mess with the poll. That is one of OUAT problems, the Professional critics dont dare critic the show, dont know if is afraid of going against Disney, or afraid of a portion of fans that are bullies and toxic, in the end that is OUAT thing, fans critics are called haters bc of ships, media cater to ouat and ratings are not that bad( even with the huge drop), bc they dont have competition on that day and hour, so yeah, for all means ouat is a hit.
As for critics, There are some who gives negative criticism when it’s due such as Lily from tv.com, Jenn from Bustle, Meredith from IO9, the podcast in here and Shark Jumping podcast. Lindsay Ellis aka Nostalgia chick said she thinks the show is bad as well. The only biased critics I see are the ones who wants to be on A&E’s good side so they would give them scoops about the show and ones who don’t have any knowledge about film or television so they say that anything that is popular is good, which we know it’s not the case (i.e: Twilight, Fifty Shades of Grey).
As for Fans, it really depends where: from what I understand, in Facebook they delete any comment that criticize the show, G+ mostly has fan made art, twitter mostly has the most extreme fans (both hate and love) but they mostly cares about ships and not actually the story, which is a shame cause that is what Adam and co see the most so I guess that is why the show became very ships driven. Tumbler has a bit of twitter and G+ feeling (hate, love and images). Wiki are mostly children that think the show can do no wrong, but sometimes there people that call the show for what it is and they get the usual “why do you even watch the show” comments. IMO, here are the most objective fans of the show.
[adrotate group="5"]"All your questions are pointless"
The only biased critics I see are the ones who wants to be on A&E’s good side so they would give them scoops about the show and ones who don’t have any knowledge about film or television so they say that anything that is popular is good, which we know it’s not the case (i.e: Twilight, Fifty Shades of Grey).
Which, sadly, are mostly the sites that care more about eyeballs than actual TV reviews. So, your TVLine’s (Matt Mittovich can say he ships CS all he wants…I still remember when his Twitter background was Emma and Neal), your EW’s and the like. The sites that know that by pandering to the more popular fandom aspects, they’ll increase eyeballs on their articles and thus get more $$ which is the driving force of most click-bait sites.
Also, add in the two ladies of Other Side of the Mirror as people who very (very) openly criticize the show. Bless them. And apparently the head of OUAF left the site as a whole and was pretty open on Twitter about the fact that it’s because the show has gone so far downhill.
Our podcast is slowly getting to that point (poor Daniel. Eventually he’s going to start cutting my mic off altogether and having to gag Jeremy).
IMO, here are the most objective fans of the show.
I agree but at the same time I know that our site (sigh) has a bit of a rep of being Anti-Hook, Anti-CS, and not a “good place” for that character or that ship. Most, if not all, of our big CS fans have fled, never to return, because they don’t like that the majority of the regulars have zero tolerance/zero nice things to say about CS/Hook.
Though, I will say that when you take in the breadth of forums as a whole, we’re definitely one of the nicer ones. (Because I am a tyrant who rules with an iron fist). We’re also one of the sites that can have larger cultural debates without it turning into an absolute crap storm. Most of the time.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But don’t A&E care?
I think they care, but I also think that they don’t accept any sort of criticism as valid. Instead they dismiss as the whingeings of internet fan culture with no legitimacy. Adam constantly says, “I hear what you’re saying” and the like on Twitter, but it’s pretty clear from the show that he and Eddy don’t. The race issue is the big one. They’ve been hit pretty hard about their treatment of PoC over the past few years. So what did they do? They case a black Merlin and a Latina Guinevere. And…then proceeded to treat them exactly the same as they have all other PoC’s that resulted in the criticism in the first place. They thought they could make the problem go away by simply doing some tricky casting, but they don’t really *hear* the criticism.
Or is OUAT still considered successful by the industry’s standards because, simply put, it still makes money?
In a word: yes. Over in the ratings thread, @Josephine found the ad buy rates for 2015 vs 2014. Both Matt and I were pretty shocked that OUAT is actually making more in ad buys for 2015 than we were in 2014. By about $20,000 to be exact. Our season four ratings (2014) were high because of the Frozen hype, but that very quickly dropped before Frozen was even over (ended the season with a 1.7, I do believe. Opened with a 3.5, so we dropped almost 2.0 over the course of 11 episodes). So how in the world are we getting more money this year even with the sharp decline in ratings? I have…no idea. But it’s enough to keep the lights on and it’s enough to make ABC happy and until OUAT starts losing money, it’s going to be considered successful despite the ageism, classism, racism, LGBT problems, rape culture values, ect.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"As for critics, There are some who gives negative criticism when it’s due such as Lily from tv.com, Jenn from Bustle, Meredith from IO9, the podcast in here and Shark Jumping podcast. Lindsay Ellis aka Nostalgia chick said she thinks the show is bad as well.
The thing is most of these, at least Lily, Jenn, Meredith if im not mistaken, criticize bc they dont do SQ, their reviews are very biased, they tend to erase some things that happened in past seasons, their reviews are always saying that Regina and Emma feel something for each other,they dont hide why they think the show sucks, it sucks bc no SQ, so yeah, for me those media are just like the Cs biased writers, they dont criticize bc they think the show is bad, is all about ships, also most of those doesnt even get to the fandom, only to the SQ part of it, if they were neutral why the show sucks i would accept, they are just like Leanne( a CS fangirl), podcasts are very good and all, but dont get most people, obvious the fandom will just call them haters, and the people related to OUAT dont care about podcast made for fans to fans, they want the media that gets most viewers that dont know the reality of fandom, or like EW that GA can get the magazine at home,
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
(Because I am a tyrant who rules with an iron fist).
RG the Tyrant!!!
She observing the poor souls in the forum( we poor mortals are that young girl).
She reading some of the things we write.
RG ruling the forum.
And finally RG while reading some of Adam and eddy interviews
PS: Dont get mad RG, u know I Love you!!!
But yeah, before i came here, i checked some places and this was the most neutral, the one that most lets you express your ideas while still making use of the rules, in some other sites, like fan forum, oh dear lord, the spoiler thread used to have the same name that the CS thread, the mods would not do anything, even with rules, they would let fans trash other fans, trash actors not characters, was and from what i heard still is a hot mess.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I think this is more accurate for @RumplesGirl ‘s wall @Rainbow. tehehehhehehehe
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
I think this more accurate for @RumplesGirl ‘s wall @Rainbow. tehehehhehehehe
Me and @Ranisha
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
PS: Dont get mad RG, u know I Love you!!!
I am 100% okay with that depiction of me.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think this is more accurate for @RumplesGirl ‘s wall @Rainbow. tehehehhehehehe
LOL! All of this!!! Hahaha!
Don’t forget the most important part….@RumplesGirl love for Loki!!!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
And the award for worst show of 2015 goes to ….. OUAT
Appears media is starting to point out and is not ships related, the comments also agree on the subject.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
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