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If you murder a character with inconsistent dialogue and behavior, can’t you bring them back to life with better writing and less plot driven motivations?
Yes, they could bring the characters back with better writing and less plot driven motivations. That doesn’t change the fact that the last few seasons have been terrible. That happened and while the show can be better, it can never recover, in my opinion, for how bad those seasons has been. It can never recover from the loss of Neal and how that took away the very story that the show was supposed to be about. The show can be about a new different thing, they can write the characters from the point they are at now and write them consistently and that would be better, but the integrity of the story is out the window and that is not recoverable at this point.
I am totally looking forward to Mulan and Red being back and whatever LGBT relationship there may be with one or both of them. I am looking forward to Cora and Regina scenes and Rumpel and Pan scenes. I am looking forward to Milah being back and interacting with Rumpel and Emma, but just because there are things that i think will be interesting next season, does not mean that the integrity of the story has returned. That’s gone and that cannot come back. The cohesion and coherence of the grand story is out the window, the morality of the story is out the window. Those things have happened and while i may like things that happen in later episodes, that cohesion of the grand story is gone forever.
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I count Smash the Mirror as two episodes. I don’t care what A&E said, TV has standards.Actually if we separated episode 8 into 2 episodes, we can say S4A had 12 episodes, they seem to forget that ouat doesnt air only in US/canada with 2 hours, that means that outside US episode 100 of ouat was 511 bc in most of the countries s4 had 23 episodes and if we add 11 episodes this season, that makes episode 100 the episode 511 in most of foreign coutries.
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Quote I count Smash the Mirror as two episodes. I don’t care what A&E said, TV has standards.
Actually if we separated episode 8 into 2 episodes, we can say S4A had 12 episodes, they seem to forget that ouat doesnt air only in US/canada with 2 hours so that they can try to cheat people into thinking was only one episode, outside US episode 100 of ouat was 511 bc they in most of the countries s4 had 23 episodes, that if we add 11 episodes this season, that makes episode 100 the episode 511 in most of foreign coutries.
Yes, 4A was 12 episode. I don’t get why people take their words as if they were written in Stone. Yes Smash the Mirror was split and labeled as 408 and 409 in a lot of countries, in abc’s official website, in iTunes, Google play, Netflix, Hulu and What not. The DVD specifically says 23 episodes. That whole “100th episode” to be spring premiere is just for marketing, remember when 511 was slated to be the spring premiere, that was supposed to be the “100th episode”, then suddenly they got another episodes in 5A and Smash the Mirror became one episode again and season 4 suddenly has 22 episodes (after Adam said otherwise on both numerous time), that is just another instance of him bullshitting his fans according to what suits him, regardless if it doesn’t mathematically make sense.
P.S: notice that abc has never promoted 512 as the 100th episode so far and that’s because it doesn’t align with how they numbered the episodes.
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I am totally looking forward to Mulan and Red being back and whatever LGBT relationship there may be with one or both of them. I am looking forward to Cora and Regina scenes and Rumpel and Pan scenes. I am looking forward to Milah being back and interacting with Rumpel and Emma, but just because there are things that i think will be interesting next season, does not mean that the integrity of the story has returned. That’s gone and that cannot come back. The cohesion and coherence of the grand story is out the window, the morality of the story is out the window. Those things have happened and while i may like things that happen in later episodes, that cohesion of the grand story is gone forever
The thing, is even the fact of those returns, mean nothing if they are not done well, especially bc they are all returns of one episode, and u cant develop a storyline in one epi and then dont show that storyline anymore.
That is why i fear that some of you, may be hurt for what is coming, bc 1st bc i dont think Neal will actually appear and in the case he makes a cameo and there is a warning, that scene will not involve any other characters, will be like Merlin message, where they just saw the message with no interaction and if MRJ did filmed on that friday( only possible day), all the other cast menbers were filming other things seen by fans or the milah and emma, when the writers already hinted that emma knows who milah is, and especially since Cs filmed after that like nothing happened and since the actress will no longer appear, is safe to say that nothing comes from that meeting. So how can u tell me that this is good storyline, where u see a character in one episode and only develop that story in one episode, so is like each episode has no connection with the previous one."I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
That whole “100th episode” to be spring premiere is just for marketing, remember when 511 was slated to be the spring premiere, that was supposed to be the “100th episode”, then suddenly they got another episodes in 5A and Smash the Mirror became one episode again and season 4 suddenly has 22 episodes (after Adam said otherwise on both numerous time), that is just another instance of him bullshitting his fans according to what suits him, regardless if it doesn’t mathematically make sense.
I really can’t blame Adam for trying to market the 100th episode. If that means changing around the episode numbers, then whatever. I don’t see why fans would care much about that. I certainly don’t care at all. Bullshitting his fans seems a little aggressive.
P.S: notice that abc has never promoted 512 as the 100th episode so far and that’s because it doesn’t align with how they numbered the episodes.
I still expect that when we get the first promo for the back half here, they will mention it is the 100th episode. But maybe not.
I don’t get why people take their words as if they were written in Stone.
Yeah, what they say and the cast actually in interviews never fits what the show actually shows, why is that the hot seat interviews is most maybe, cant say, never say never, bc they know ouat fans will think, those words means yes, and when they dont come true thwy will say whe never said yes, u were the ones that thought so. I say and will say it again, in most ouat fans minds, No means maybe, yes, maybe, never say never, cant say means yes.
Another example, of that is JMo interviews that are sometimes disconected about what happens in the show, but in her case i think is mostly bc she said publicy that she doesnt see the show and she only reads her lines, so she doesnt know what other characters do on that episode, bc she doesnt read all script to know what happens and she doesnt see the final cut of the episode, so she says one thing and then the show shows another.
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I still expect that when we get the first promo for the back half here, they will mention it is the 100th episode. But maybe not.
They will do it especially, bc appears they will have a red carpet event i would say like frozen and probably with cake to celebrate the epi 100 for the media.
Also, there i way to know how the rest of the season will be, there is a hint, on the special that they will air before epi 512, that appears will make a resume of the show until episode 100 and if they ignore certain characters, u will have a hint that the same old story of ignoring things and characters will continue on that arc and that means that the show wont be back to S1 way like many still hope.
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I actually thought about a way they could return to how season 1 was, but they need to sacrifice a lot in order to do it (which will never happen).
They need to get rid of all the main characters except Emma, Henry and Regina while promoting new characters, which will be August, Lily, Maleficent , Mulan and Ruby. Snow, Charming and Rumple and Belle’s stories are done and they should just let them finish.
Hook, Zelena and Robin are underdeveloped and they just bring the story down (No more ships bullcrap).
All I want is Regina doing Mayor stuff, Emna being the sheriff and along with Henry, they help bring back the Happy endings of characters that returned from forgotten characters island.
The main overall plot would be the search for Lily’s father (which ultimately be revealed as the season big bad).
Side stories would be:
1. Developing Regina and Maleficent’s friendship.
2. Developing Emma and Lily’s friendship.
3. Developing a genuine ADULT relationship between Emma and August.
4. Mulan and Ruby’s relationship, they also help Emma with things
5. Mulan unresolved feelings for Aurora.
6. Regina actually atoning for her sins, bring in characters that she actually has to apologize and maybe help them get THEIR happy ending.
7. Developing a real a genuine ADULT relationship between Regina and Archie.
8. Maleficent making amends with Aurora.
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See I feel like the Pan arc, which was the first time they split the season into two halves, actually didn’t assassinate the characters. I think that arc proved it could work. The whole reason they decided to do it this way was because season 2 ran into a huge problem with big “filler” episodes and unnecessary material. There are parts of season 2 that dragged. They felt they could tell a more concise story splitting it up and I can’t blame them for wanting to try something new. Unfortunately, a consequence of doing that, has been focusing a little TOO much on plot and not taking a breath and giving us much needed character development scenes and more consistent decision making. But in no way do I think they started splitting the seasons so they could deliberately forget about characters and do something unrelated to the narrative. I think they saw the flaws with season 2, and thought this would help concise the story a bit, and many fans, myself included, thought this was a good idea at the time. They just unfortunately have lost their way since the Pan Arc when I felt the half season worked well.
The Pan arc still suffered because of the split. True, it wasn’t as bad as the following half seasons, but there were still a lot of unanswered questions left at the end.
The Neverland arc could’ve improved by:
Having Storybrooke in every episode just to break up the constant wondering in the dark.
Fleshing out the Neverland characters that were introduced such as Tinkerbell and Felix and actually showing their backstories and how they came to be in Neverland. Also WHY Pan trusted them.
Actually utilising Hook since this was actually “his story”. Hook is often put centre in arcs where he doesn’t need to be, but the one time that they actually do the story that would make sense for him to be more to the forefront, they give him very little to do outside CSF triangle.
Show Nealfire’s time in Neverland, there was so many unanswered questions about his interactions with the Neverland residents. Why did Felix hope he’d never see Nealfire again? Why were Tinkerbell and Neal on such good terms that Tinkerbell was happy to betray Pan for him?
Actually show the Nevengers being split up because of Pan’s manipulations instead of having Rumple just take off. The way the half season played out, Regina and Rumple could’ve found Henry and saved him with great ease within 2 episodes if they’d just ditched everyone else and worked together. Everyone else was useless, they all wondered round for 8 episodes getting nowhere, Regina splits from the Charmings, teams up with Rumple, boom they found Henry.
Actually show present day Neverland in daylight.
Not having Snow act like a self-centred bitch who only wanted another baby so that she could play mommy because the current relationship she had with Emma was not what SHE wanted and wasn’t good enough. (Way to make you daughter with abandonment issues feel loved Snow.)
Basically, the Neverland arc would’ve been so much better if they had taken the time to explore the characters instead of trying to wrap everything up in 11 episodes.
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Keeper of FelixSee I feel like the Pan arc, which was the first time they split the season into two halves, actually didn’t assassinate the characters. I think that arc proved it could work. The whole reason they decided to do it this way was because season 2 ran into a huge problem with big “filler” episodes and unnecessary material. There are parts of season 2 that dragged. They felt they could tell a more concise story splitting it up and I can’t blame them for wanting to try something new. Unfortunately, a consequence of doing that, has been focusing a little TOO much on plot and not taking a breath and giving us much needed character development scenes and more consistent decision making. But in no way do I think they started splitting the seasons so they could deliberately forget about characters and do something unrelated to the narrative. I think they saw the flaws with season 2, and thought this would help concise the story a bit, and many fans, myself included, thought this was a good idea at the time. They just unfortunately have lost their way since the Pan Arc when I felt the half season worked well.
The Pan arc still suffered because of the split. True, it wasn’t as bad as the following half seasons, but there were still a lot of unanswered questions left at the end. The Neverland arc could’ve improved by: Having Storybrooke in every episode just to break up the constant wondering in the dark. Fleshing out the Neverland characters that were introduced such as Tinkerbell and Felix and actually showing their backstories and how they came to be in Neverland. Also WHY Pan trusted them. Actually utilising Hook since this was actually “his story”. Hook is often put centre in arcs where he doesn’t need to be, but the one time that they actually do the story that would make sense for him to be more to the forefront, they give him very little to do outside CSF triangle. Show Nealfire’s time in Neverland, there was so many unanswered questions about his interactions with the Neverland residents. Why did Felix hope he’d never see Nealfire again? Why were Tinkerbell and Neal on such good terms that Tinkerbell was happy to betray Pan for him? Actually show the Nevengers being split up because of Pan’s manipulations instead of having Rumple just take off. The way the half season played out, Regina and Rumple could’ve found Henry and saved him with great ease within 2 episodes if they’d just ditched everyone else and worked together. Everyone else was useless, they all wondered round for 8 episodes getting nowhere, Regina splits from the Charmings, teams up with Rumple, boom they found Henry. Actually show present day Neverland in daylight. Not having Snow act like a self-centred bitch who only wanted another baby so that she could play mommy because the current relationship she had with Emma was not what SHE wanted and wasn’t good enough. (Way to make you daughter with abandonment issues feel loved Snow.) Basically, the Neverland arc would’ve been so much better if they had taken the time to explore the characters instead of trying to wrap everything up in 11 episodes.
I agree. I feel like every arc could have been better if it were 22 episodes instead of 11 and a little more attention to the writnig.
It should have been:
Season 3 Pan
Season 4 Zelena
Season 5 Author
Season 6 Dark Swan
Season 7 final battle or whatever.
Frozen should never have happen, it was nice at best, but it really doesn’t have a place on the show, same with Merida.
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