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Also, don’t y’all miss Jefferson? I miss Jefferson
Word.
I was an SF shipper from the moment we realized that Rumple had a missing son and that Herny’s father was also “missing” but I really loved the Emma/Jefferson chemistry. MadSwan would have been a fun ship.
Or, Jefferson just being Jefferson.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Someone should make a thread of all the lost story lines and mentions of characters and give percentages as to the likelihood we will ever see them.
The answer to your request would be 0% on all.
A&E aren’t bothered about building the mythology of the show, it’s all about the current arc. They insert scenes to serve the episode even though it contradicts earlier episodes.
At this juncture, any questions you have about previous seasons that haven’t been answered aren’t going to be answered.
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So that girl that is rewiting the s5 with Neal instead of hook, decided to do 2 finale, one that she would have like to see, and that is what she calls the season finale for the 1st rewrite and with a diferent name from Swan Song, and she will do a rewrite of Swan song using canon facts but with Neal, all this bc she doesnt know if she will have time to do the S5B rewrite, but if she does she will use the Swan song version.
So here it is the “Blessed blades” story that ends the S5A rewrite:
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
A&E aren’t bothered about building the mythology of the show, it’s all about the current arc. They insert scenes to serve the episode even though it contradicts earlier episodes. At this juncture, any questions you have about previous seasons that haven’t been answered aren’t going to be answered.
So here’s the optimist in me again….I think once they are done stalling, and are given an end date by ABC, they can narrow the story and bring back old questions and themes for the final push. They might not, but just because they haven’t answered questions so far, doesn’t mean they won’t by the end of it.
In LOST, while some questions never got answered, they did answer a lot of stuff by the end of it, and as a long time fan, I was mostly satisfied. I always thought one day at the end, LOST would answer my burning questions, and during that final season and even in season 5, they did answer some, however not all. If OUAT could just answer half of the stuff they have left us pondering over, I’d be happy, and I don’t think it’s impossible to think they could do it. I only reference LOST here because A&E wrote for the show, LOST is my favorite show of all time, and I only started watching OUAT because of it. It’s not the best comparison, but LOST was heavily criticized for posing questions, answering a couple, but in doing so, posed a few questions…..But at least they answered some and OUAT can do the same.
I hate myself but I decided to go to netflix and watch some scenes. (yes I am insane. I ACTUALLY have hope for a refreshing plot where swanfire blossoms and Hook decays – call me crazy)
so I decided to watch a few scenes from season 4. I must say, that I do not think they destroyed Rumple’s character at all. in every single scene he looks and acts like a hero. if any of you have netflix, watch that scene again where Gold and Emma talk. right before she is about to open that door with the hat. notice the way they look at each other. it’s like they can see into each other’s souls and they GET what they see. it’s a conversation between two heroes. “we have no choice” what was not said, but implied is “we have no choice because we are saviors”
I bet this is the ONLY scene in season 4 where these two interact, because from what I heard, Emma and Hook barely have any scenes apart, but in this scene, it reminded me of all these interactions they had in season 1,2 and 3 and again, they were beautiful together. both the same type. desperate souls.another thing. when Belle lied to Rumple, and even used him, and then cut him on the neck, she felt really bad and fell to the ground apologizing, he fell right with her and didn’t even show a second of anger towards her. But at the town line, when he did the same to her (minus the cut on the neck) she turned away unforgiving while he was on his hands and knees begging (besides for sending him into the cold harsh world without even a cane, let alone some money or his car)
back to the Emma/Gold scene by the hat: I think he wanted her to sacrifice her white magic to become ordinary, and this would maybe somehow bring Neal back in the long run.
Question:: did Emma become selfish and babyish AFTER that scene or was she like that since 4a? those who watched till 5a could you tell me?and this would maybe somehow bring Neal back in the long run.
There is no bringing neal long run not on S4, where according to people that saw he was only mentioned on CS scenes on 1st episodes and then at the end to say there was no way to bring back neal, like there is no way to bring back Neal in S5 long run, bc he is in another show, show that only premieres in 7th april, OUAt ends filming 1st of April and after this there is no more UW, they cant bring Neal back after this arc, and since MRJ is in another project that by the end of filming, they still dont know if will have a 2nd season and because GOS ends the S1 in june, MRj cant commite with any other show, until NBC says yes or no to a S2, decision that may come only in June, so no Neal back at least alive on S5 or any other season.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I haven’t been posting much recently, but I thought I’d add my two cents. In the past I have enumerated the various reasons why the show has sucked. I’m not going to list all of those again, some of you can testify that the list tends to be long. But in my opinion, it all comes down to ABC and Disney taking over control combined with the ADHD-type storytelling of Eddie and Adam.
In Season One, the fairy tale characters we’re not carbon copies of their Disney counterparts. However, as the series went on this changed. It began with Frozen and now look at their representation of Hades. It’s become an incestuous relationship between Once and Disney. A marketing tool.
The first season was intriguing and, well, original. That’s why so many of us here glommed onto SwanFire. It was drawing and building on the foundation of those well known fairy tales. Creating a new story in our Modern World. There was just something poetic about the Savior and the reason for the curse coming together. If this were a novel one was reading this would be glaringly clear. With current storylines, it would be as if Lizzy ran away woth the dastardly Wickham in Pride & Prejudice instead of falling for Darcy. Network interference and having more freedom over the Disney catalog diverted the show from its original premise.
Some shows can succeed wildly after changing the focus after the first few seasons. With Once it just divided the fandom and drained viewership.
At this point I really have no interest in the show, even hate-watching it. But
I promised I would stick with it until the end and I shall be a good friend and keep that promise.Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Neal could just not be dead quite easily. They left his body in the forest with Zelena. He could just not be dead. I understand what you are saying about MRJ being in another show, but if his show was cancelled then he could just be alive on Ouat. If Zelena can suddenly be alive again and pretending to be Marian for half a season then Neal can just be alive too.
so I decided to watch a few scenes from season 4. I must say, that I do not think they destroyed Rumple’s character at all
With all due respect but watching a few scenes from a few episodes of something more than a season ago do not, in any way shape or form or capacity, give you the entire breadth and scope of what the writers did to Rumple’s character.
We, the people have been watching every single week, have laid out numerous examples of retcons, OCC and other things that do not fit with the Rumple as he was presented in the first few seasons.
in every single scene he looks and acts like a hero.
No. He doesn’t. Again, you’re being incredibly selective and not getting the entire 4×01-5×11 scope of the picture. It’s like looking at one particularly good speech of an overwhelmingly bad president and saying “hey! he was really great after all”
and this would maybe somehow bring Neal back in the long run.
Except you missed the part when Rumple admits that it has nothing to do with his son–it’s all about his power. I assume you did not watch that scene. This goes back to what I was saying; you’re selective viewing does not grant you a solid and legit argument.
Question:: did Emma become selfish and babyish AFTER that scene or was she like that since 4a? those who watched till 5a could you tell me?
Emma became a pod person basically after 3×15 and has only descended further with each passing episode.
At this point I really have no interest in the show, even hate-watching it. But I promised I would stick with it until the end and I shall be a good friend and keep that promise.
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Neal could just not be dead quite easily. They left his body in the forest with Zelena. He could just not be dead. I understand what you are saying about MRJ being in another show, but if his show was cancelled then he could just be alive on Ouat. If Zelena can suddenly be alive again and pretending to be Marian for half a season then Neal can just be alive too.
They could , but lets see the facts, he was burried, Zelena wasnt and before people mention archie, lets not forget that archie being alive was shown on that same episode, in order to let GA know that he was alive. Zelena had nothing to link her there and she wanted revenge on Regina and she had magic, Neal had no magic, had a son and father( wont mention emma) and he didnt want revenge, so he had no reason to appear almost a year after like nothing happened and he was just on a holiday and if is true that composer thing that sets that Neal is dead. Also if he wasnt dead and was being captive, he would be dead by now with no water and food. The thing is the writers didnt knew what to do with him and didnt care about him, so yeah, no Neal, especially bc the writers only see ships, so for them Neal is someone that can get bwt Cs.
Also, why people keep wanting GoS to fail and MRJ back at OUAT, people should be saying even if GOS gets cancelled, MRJ deserves something better and i wish him luck, people should be wanting the cast to get free from this show.
This is not GoS vs OUAT, Gos is not the thing that is in the middle of MRJ going back to ouat. The show simply doesnt want him back and to tell u the true i doubt he would want to go back at all, especially full time. Lets not forget that MRJ did 2 works for Disney after ouat, Sons of liberty on history( owned 50% by abc/disney) and finest hours, if they wanted him back, they could after all these projects bond him again to ouat, but they didnt. MRJ looked for Gos bc thought was good and didnt have any other job, so he looked for that one.
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