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March 30, 2016 at 3:14 pm #320479
Slurpeez
ParticipantI miss Neal Cassidy (and the show I was so fervently devoted to) a little more everyday.
Me too.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
March 30, 2016 at 3:47 pm #320481Slurpeez
ParticipantAlso, can we talk about how Emma literally whitewashed Hook with her savior white magic?

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
March 30, 2016 at 7:10 pm #320537Rainbow
ParticipantAbout spoilers, i think the spoilers could have been worst than what we think they are i think is not the proposal, but the answer to it, i bet the proposal is on 522( only you epi) and they then get separated and they reunite and then one of them says the answer, i almost bet that is Emma that will ask on 522 and then Hook tells her his answer on 523, bc now they probably will make hook be the one having walls, or is vice versa, whatever, but yeah that is bad, but can also be something worst than proposal, in a 515 foreshadowing of the nusery room, Emma may tell Hook she is pregnant, this is worst.
Yeah, 2 years today, have to say thought MRJ tag would be full of Neal, but no, is all GOS, which makes me happy in a way.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
March 30, 2016 at 9:19 pm #320540RumplesGirl
KeymasterAlso, can we talk about how Emma literally whitewashed Hook with her savior white magic?

*sigh*
Not even pretty pretty Benedict can cure the sadness.
Yeah, 2 years today, have to say thought MRJ tag would be full of Neal, but no, is all GOS, which makes me happy in a way.
I am very happy that MRJ has found a show that makes him happy and fulfilled as an actor. I can’t wait to see GoS. (But I miss Neal. God. I miss Neal)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 30, 2016 at 9:20 pm #320541RumplesGirl
KeymasterAlso, can we talk about how Emma literally whitewashed Hook with her savior white magic?

*sigh*
Not even pretty pretty Benedict can cure the sadness.
Yeah, 2 years today, have to say thought MRJ tag would be full of Neal, but no, is all GOS, which makes me happy in a way.
I am very happy that MRJ has found a show that makes him happy and fulfilled as an actor. I can’t wait to see GoS. (But I miss Neal. God. I miss Neal)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 30, 2016 at 10:27 pm #320549Slurpeez
ParticipantJust thought I’d share:

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
March 30, 2016 at 10:32 pm #320550CrownedWithLaurels
ParticipantTwo years.
I miss him too.I cant even handle thinking about all the magic he brought. Thinking about yow every episode was pure perfection. Thinking about every path we saw, how we KNEW where this was going. It makes me sad. Its funny, the real-life magic in this fairy tale show is what I miss most about it.
Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
March 30, 2016 at 11:45 pm #320555WickedRegal
ParticipantTwo years…my, my, my…time sure does pass!
Even if he was alive on the show right now, I wouldn’t want him with this clingy, teenage like, selfish version of Emma Swan. I hope Michael Raymond James skyrockets to success, and becomes a mega hit! And I pray that Sean Maguire gains a better job with a happier, nicer, more respectful fandom! I wish them both all the success in the world! And as for this show….this Once Upon A Time that we have spent the last five years of our lives discussing, debating, and watching every sunday….the sooner it sinks to Hell the better, oops, I forgot….it’s already there!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
March 31, 2016 at 1:23 pm #320578Slurpeez
ParticipantI don’t know if the writers are really aware of any meta-messages they are sending, and if they are, I don’t think they give flying squirrel dung about it.
So I rewatched certain scenes from 5×15: How could could the writers not be aware of how problematic Hook and his relationship with Emma is? They had several meta lines from various characters:
1. Hook admitted the depth of his crimes and thought maybe he should pay for them.
“I’m the problem. Emma, you were the dark one for six weeks and only gave into the darkness out of love. I plunged in head first, in a second, for revenge. I was weak! You raised the bar really high, Swan, and the fact is, I don’t measure up…I’m not sure I deserve saving. “
2. Liam told Emma that what she did to Hook was incredibly selfish.
“Killian’s been fighting darkness his entire life, and you pushed him off a cliff…It was a bloody selfish thing to do. He had a chance to die a hero, to move on, and you took it from him. Is [saving him] what he really needs, or what you need? … Stop thinking about your own desires, and let him go.”
3. They had Regina tell Emma that she was too good for Hook. “To be honest, you’re too good for Hook.”
The writers wouldn’t include those lines if they weren’t at least aware that (a) Hook easily gives into his darker nature (b) Emma acted selfishly by trying to keep him alive (c) she’s actually way too good for the pirate and he isn’t worth saving.
However, what they might not be aware of is how problematic it is to just then sweep those concern under the rug in the name of “forgiving one’s self” (as if that makes up for murdering Merlin or trying to send Emma’s son and parents to hell). *sigh*
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
March 31, 2016 at 2:07 pm #320581nevermore
ParticipantI don’t know if the writers are really aware of any meta-messages they are sending, and if they are, I don’t think they give flying squirrel dung about it.
So I rewatched certain scenes from 5×15: How could could the writers not be aware of how problematic Hook and his relationship with Emma is? They had several meta lines from various characters: 1. Hook admitted the depth of his crimes and thought maybe he sould pay for them.
“I’m the problem. Emma, you were the dark one for six weeks and only gave into the darkness out of love. I plunged in head first, in a second, for revenge. I was weak! You raised the bar really high, Swan, and the fact is, I don’t measure up…I’m not sure I deserve saving. ”
2. Liam told Emma that what she did to Hook was incredibly seflish. “Killian’s been fighting darkness his entire life, and you pushed him off a cliff…It was a bloody selfish thing to do. He had a chance to die a hero, to move on, and you took it from him. Is [saving] what he really needs, or what you need? … Stop thinking about your own desies, and let him go.” 3. They had Regina tell Emma that she was took good for Hook. “To be honest, you’re too good for Hook.” The writers wouldn’t include those lines if they weren’t at least aware that (a) Hook easily gives into his darker nature (b) Emma acted selfishly by trying to keep him alive (c) she’s actually way too good for the pirate and he isn’t worth saving. However, what they might not be aware of is how problematic it is to just then sweep those concern under the rug in the name of “forgiving one’s self” (as if that makes up for murdering Merlin or trying to send Emma’s son and parents to hell). *sigh*
Yeah. I think we both go back and forth on this. I have a feeling that Regina currently is the closest we get to an authorial voice on this show, so I can actually see how this might be a sign of a certain amount of skepticism about Hook and CS. I think they’ll keep doing it, because either the show runners or the powers that be at ABC seem to think that CS is what brings in the dough, however they personally feel about it. Bread and games, right?
But now that I read Hook’s bit of dialogue, I’m actually inclined to retract my opinion that we get a glimpse of a repentant, self-aware Hook. That line “You raised the bar really high, Swan and I don’t measure up” — I mean that, right there, isn’t repentance. That’s competitiveness. That’s “You did better at being a Dark One than I did, and made me look bad. Boohoo, I don’t wanna play anymore. *pouts*”
Not, “I was a total poop-head, sorry about that.” Nope. It’s another variation of “Look at what you made me do.” And this is where I think the writers are either clueless, or really playing with fire — because I think that bit is sincerely meant to signal Hook’s repentance. But you read between the lines for a second, and you see that Hook’s actually the same sociopath he was all along.
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