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If that was what they were going for then they failed miserably. Emma doesn’t bat an eyelid or feel any immense guilt once Hook is back because she got what she wanted (though this seems to be a family trait).
If you re-watch the scene, and you still feel that Emma shows no remorse, or as you say, doesn’t even bat an eyelid, well then we just aren’t going to agree. I think she clearly does at the end of the scene. She no longer has the expression of happiness and joy and surprise on her face. It turns to sorrow and I think it’s clear as day.
And it seems you have backed off from the whole sex in the graveyard opinion so I won’t even bother to rebuttal that.
Hook coming back was inevitable, nobody actually thought he was going to stay dead. But there is such a thing as time and place. How would you feel if the love of your life was dead and your best friend was making out with her boyfriend at his funeral? Maybe they’d gone on a sailing trip together, the boat sunk, both were missing. Your lover’s body was found whilst your best friend’s boyfriend was missing and presumed dead. Only he reappears alive and well at your lover’s funeral, whose coffin isn’t even in the ground yet, then your best friend and him start making out. Would you really honestly consider that acceptable? Even if it was your best friend’s idea to send your lover on that sailing trip in the first place?
Hook coming back was inevitable, nobody actually thought he was going to stay dead. But there is such a thing as time and place. How would you feel if the love of your life was dead and your best friend was making out with her boyfriend at his funeral? Maybe they’d gone on a sailing trip together, the boat sunk, both were missing. Your lover’s body was found whilst your best friend’s boyfriend was missing and presumed dead. Only he reappears alive and well at your lover’s funeral, whose coffin isn’t even in the ground yet, then your best friend and him start making out. Would you really honestly consider that acceptable? Even if it was your best friend’s idea to send your lover on that sailing trip in the first place?
I’m just not sure what you want Emma to do. If you want to crap on the writers for having Hook pop up in the graveyard directly after the funeral, then fine. But there was absolutely nothing wrong with Emma’s actions as a character in my mind. Anyone would have been so surprised and elated to see him come back out of thin air, especially given the emotional state she was in from the funeral. As Slurpeez pointed out, it also kind of makes sense that Hook reappeared in the graveyard because that’s where he was buried. But again, if you want to criticize the timing, fair enough.
It’s not that she forgot about Robin. It’s that she never begins to really acknowledge, in text, out loud, for anything longer than a fraction of a second after Snow leaves her that her actions have consequences.
When Hook says, “I’m so happy you’re alright.” Emma responds with a distraught look and says, “Not all of us are.” They both turn around and stare at Robin’s coffin and Emma clearly still has a sorrowful look on her face. To me, the funeral scene plus the end of this scene, even after seeing the alleged love of her life return, shows she still acknowledges and mourns Robin’s death. Now it’s true, when all is said and done, Emma had zero consequences for her actions as far as it directly affecting her. I mean, Robin’s death is affecting her, but it’s Regina who takes the hit. So yes, she doesn’t really suffer any consequences, but I think she acknowledges them way more than in these two scenes than everyone on here is giving her credit for.
Okay, well then there’s really no point in us continuing this at all. If you’re just going to look at it your way (as is your right) then there’s no point in me trying to explain why some people have issue from a non angry-shipper, non-pro Robin Hood stance. And just to point out, again, I don’t even care that Hook came back. He can come back. That’s fine. I’ll even acknowledge that he did some nice heroic things in the Underworld during the episode in question. I have issue with what the scene says.
I actually appreciate your take more because I understand you are coming from a more neutral place on this. But other than the fact that Hook came back too close to the timing of Robin’s funeral, what was Emma supposed to do. I guess I would be more understanding of the criticism of the writers for the timing of the scenes in question, but it’s the criticism of Emma that I do not understand. I would love to know how everyone else would have reacted if their love just reappeared like that after you thought you lost him. Regardless of whether Robin’s body is still above ground, what is she supposed to do? “Oh I’m sorry but I can’t celebrate your return for another 10 minutes because I’m still grieving my mistakes that led to Robin’s death.”
[adrotate group="5"]Another podcast recently dealt with the issue of whether or not fandom is broken. I thought it pertinent, seeing how it relates to that article RG posted several pages back. The discussion kicks off at about the 13:00 mark.
https://soundcloud.com/blastr-syfy/who-won-the-week-episode-28-is-fandom-broken
It’s a worthwhile discussion, since some podcasters agreed fandom was broken while others disagreed. One person took a more nuanced view that broken fandom is simply a symptom of a larger issue of human interaction through technology being broken more generally.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Emma was in juvy. Her records were sealed because she was in juvy. So what? That doesn’t make Neal way older then her.
See right there is the inconsistence in the writing, they said emma was in Juvie in S1, but they say she was in Juvie in 1996, when she was 13, and then August mentions prison to neal, not juvie, he says to neal “she got 11 months on a low level security facility”. So shows the same inconsistences in the writing, what they had for s1, on next seasons doesnt fit.
I don’t disagree that there is an inconsistency in the writing. I really think that Emma has only said that she was 18 one time, when she was talking to Ella, and that was during Season 1 when Emma always lied about Henry’s birth and who his father was. All the other information points to Emma really being 17. Don’t get me wrong, the writers are idiots. They didn’t really think about what they were writing at the time, like they don’t think about anything.
Though, i really do think that it is all completely irrelevant because, like i said, Emma and Neal’s relationship was one of equals in every way and that is what matters.
Some time ago, I posted some crazy theory about how there was an unseen time skip during season 1. It was when we were discussing Henry’s birthday. Basically, I said this:
Henry was born on 8/15/02. Characters rounded up his age in the pilot.
S1 takes place from 10/22/11 to May 2013.
S2 takes place from May 2013 to March 2014.My entire logic comes from a scene in “Skin Deep” where Ashley drinks alcohol, despite saying she was 19 in “The Price of Gold.”
People don’t round up their kids ages though. The drinking age is 18 in Storybrooke. The show is just so inconsistent about all of these things. Just think about all of the dumb captions they have about when something happened. The are all wrong. The writer and editors just don’t keep track of anything.
, what was Emma supposed to do.
I’m on my phone so forgive me if this is full of typos.
What I wanted/ want s for Emmas progression to NOT co.e to a screeching halt as soon as Hook enters the picture. For her to sit with that guilt and other feelings for longer than a hot second and for it all to not get waved away when Hook enters the scene. Everyone, writers included, keep coddling Emma and refusing to have her really sit with her errors. That’s not how you progress a character organically. She needs space, room to breathe, and room to contemplate her actions without it being interrupted by her romantic liaisons.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"She needs space, room to breathe, and room to contemplate her actions without it being interrupted by her romantic liaisons.
I agree. And hopefully in season 6, after a season that focused too heavily on her romance with Hook, they give her time to breathe and do things and say things that are unrelated to Hook. But in that instance when he returned, that’s how any other person would have reacted. But once the dust settles, I’m hoping that is when we get what everyone seems to be hoping from Emma.
Nothing that happened in the last season will ever be brought up again. Regina might be sad about Robin being dead, but even that, who really knows. There will be no fall out from the last season. That has happened and the writers will just move on to something else because they don’t know how to connect one season to the next, they just reset or completely rewrite the characters between seasons. Emma may be happily skipping around town at the beginning of the next season, for all we know. She and Hook may have moved in together and be making coffee and meeting her parents at the diner for breakfast, going on group patrols together. This show is that stupid.
Nothing that happened in the last season will ever be brought up again. Regina might be sad about Robin being dead, but even that, who really knows. There will be no fall out from the last season. That has happened and the writers will just move on to something else because they don’t know how to connect one season to the next, they just reset or completely rewrite the characters between seasons. Emma may be happily skipping around town at the beginning of the next season, for all we know. She and Hook may have moved in together and be making coffee and meeting her parents at the diner for breakfast, going on group patrols together. This show is that stupid.
Nine times out of ten…it’s going to be at least a three to six month time skip just so Adam and Eddy can handwave Regina’s grief over Robin away, and have everyone go about their everyday lives while focusing on the looming threat of Mr. Hyde who they will say was only biding his time during that time period. Robin will never be mentioned again, except only through Regina or Zelena, and that’s going to be directed toward Baby Robyn.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Sadly I agree with HJ and WR. They almost never connect the seasonal arcs, especially in terms of emotions. Heck, even the two part finale of S5 had nothing to do with the arc thus far. Regina’s emotions were more about ignoring her instincts (which are always bubbling below the surface, no matter the situation) and Emma was fine.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Saw this online, have to say i wont believe this means anything, but decided to post either way. Also fans have better ideas than the writers and always seem to find a link that the writers never meant to actually write.
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