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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
That GIF makes me want to drink heavily.
You mean drink hot chotocoalate with cinnamon of course? It’s our chosen beverage around here. To quote Regina, “I don’t do rum.” LOL!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Scene I now really want to see when the show comes back in March (spoilered out since part of this is from the promo): Neal and the others arrive back in the EF after the smoke clears and are a little shell shocked to be home again (Snow’s sad realization that “we’re back” still gives me a tear). Snow and Charming want to make a plan to go to their castle, Hook wants to look for the JR, Regina is devastated over losing Henry but wonders about her castle, the others are unsure of what to do, and Belle looks around wondering about Rumple’s castle….all the while Neal just stands there alone not able to move much. He gets an odd look on his face and looks down as he realizes that he’s clenching something in his hand. He opens up his fist and realizes that he was clenching the swan pendant when the curse hit and he finally tears up realizing that it’s all he has left of Emma and his family is now gone. Snow sees that Neal is broken and that Belle is totally devastated and she asks them to come with her and David to their castle for a while because “we’re family and we can help each other through our shared grief”. I want to see them take care of each other because they’re ALL grieving for their loved ones and I wouldn’t be able to take it if he ends up alone again. I know this is a total tearjerker moment (if it actually happens) but I think it would go a LONG way towards making people truly realize the heartbreak that is Neal’s life. He literally has just had his entire world fall apart for like the 4th time (at least) and he’s had so much heartbreak in so many different ways that he has to be almost numb to it by now. 😥
After typing all that out, I REALLY NEED THIS TO HAPPEN even though it might break me down emotionally for days! 😉
#HopeforSwanFire
#MoreBOOMLessGloomRumplesGirl wrote: That GIF makes me want to drink heavily.
You mean drink hot chotocoalate with cinnamon of course? It’s our chosen beverage around here. To quote Regina, “I don’t do rum.” LOL!
*stern face* of course. 🙂
So I had a wacky idea
we had reports of MRJ being on set for the 312 stuff when JMo and Colin were doing the NYC stuff. We all though it odd cause we never saw him. What if Neal is there in NYC? When we see him with Hook in the EF it must be the past. So what if they both came to NYC but obviously Hook had to go to Emma since Emma is likely to punch Neal
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"RumplesGirl wrote: we had reports of MRJ being on set for the 312 stuff when JMo and Colin were doing the NYC stuff. We all though it odd cause we never saw him. What if Neal is there in NYC? When we see him with Hook in the EF it must be the past. So what if they both came to NYC but obviously Hook had to go to Emma since Emma is likely to punch Neal
O____O Please, yes x100,000! That would explain why/how Emma is in Neal’s apartment looking at the dreamcatcher!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Another pretty thing: Henry and his parents, all three of them!
Fierce family is FIERCE! Neal’s like, “Pan, please….we got this won punk” and Emma is about to open up a can on the immature and bratty teenager. I also love that Henry grabs an arm from both of his moms. And seriously, when Regina is the one who looks the least threatening in a photo you KNOW the other parents mean something REALLY fierce!! 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
#MoreBOOMLessGloomAnd seriously, when Regina is the one who looks the least threatening in a photo you KNOW the other parents mean something REALLY fierce!! 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
Neal’s like “I will take you out, Grandpa!”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I was lurking in the CS thread just before, in the aftermath of the CSF stuff, and saw someone had posed some questions for SFers, but they weren’t sure if they could even ask them, so I’m posting a response in here…
Do people in here who frequent or lurk in the SF thread, think I could ask them a few questions & NOT receive answers based on how it’s relates to CS? (Q = How do they feel about the 8:15 Emma/Henry/Neal thing, after the events of this last ep & Do they want to see Neal reconcile with his past more {as in accepting what he was & what he went through, like Emma had too in NL}, before he gets into a serious relationship?) I only want answers as they relate to their own ship not ours though (I dont want to be told it means nothing to CS because etc. I am really curious as to what they think now (I know some felt 8:15 was important when I read the thread of doom/CSF). I have asked on another site I frequent (which has a mix of SF & CS shippers, but they never really felt 8:15am had any real SF connections in the 1st place, so couldnt give me an answer lol & are split pretty 50/50 on whether a day or 2 is enough to honestly have accepted & move past feeling as he does). I dont want them to feel like I’m wanting them to defend their ship or anything, but I am really curious, if they feel about Neal, how we felt about Hook (to begin with).
The 8:15 has typically been used in relation to things directly involving Emma, Henry, or Neal, so this is just another one to chalk up on the list.
The more significant symbolic things about the ending scene is firstly that she’s in NYC. The last time we saw her, she was living in Boston, so why the change in location? To the same city Neal had been living in. The city where they met again in Manhattan. This ep was titled Going Home. SF had dreams of setting up a proper home. Their final exchange before Neal got out of the Bug and ended up running into August was:
Neal: Tallahassee, baby. We’re almost home.
(Neal exits the car with the bag.)
Emma: Home…
And now, Emma and Henry have made their home in NYC of all places. Even without her new memories, she has been drawn to the place where Neal lived, and it has become her home. NYC is like the new Tallahassee.
Also, the song choice is pretty blatant. If they didn’t intend to show a SF connection, they would not have played that song. In both instances, with Neal and with Emma, the song cuts out immediately before the messenger (postcard/Hook) with news of the Curse arrives. This is a blatant and direct parallel between the two characters.
The fact that they bothered to write in those connections, which exist even though Emma doesn’t currently have her new memories of Neal, screams to me that they are undeniably, irrevocably connected, and are destined to be close to each other, and together.
As far as Neal reconciling with his past before moving on, I assume you mean Tamara, because you also ask if a couple of days is really enough time to get over it, and he’s had plenty of time to reconcile all the other crap he’s had to go through in his life.
I would have liked at the very least a scene where he was told the details of how Tamara was the one who kidnapped Henry, and how it was his father who killed her. The fact that we got none of that suggests that anything to do with him learning about and reacting to Tamara’s final actions, just happened off screen. Which is kind of annoying, because it’s something that would be worthwhile showing his reaction to, but it also means that yes, he has addressed it in some way, so I don’t really consider it a huge issue with him moving on.
He may have loved Tamara, but he also never stopped loving Emma. A big part of why he didn’t go to SB, and instead carried on with Tamara, is because he didn’t believe he’d have a chance with Emma anyway, because he’d never forgiven himself, so he had no reason to expect that Emma would forgive him, and seeing him again would only serve to hurt her, which he didn’t want to do because he still loved her and had hurt her enough. (Now that I’m thinking about it, that attitude is similar to Emma not being able to believe in the good moments, always expecting the doom. And because this is something that Neal did experience through the Tamara mess, it contributes to how he was able to stand strong for Emma at the town line, and tell her that it was gonna be OK and they’d make it through and see each other again. He was a bit Charming-esque in basically telling her that this is just one of those twists and turns that they’ll inevitably be faced with in life. Anyway, I digress….)
So he gave into his fear of facing Emma, and stuck with Tamara instead. Tamara was always his second choice, if he could have been with Emma, he would have, so I daresay they might have actually been some sense of relief for him when he discovered that Tamara was evil, and he no longer had any obligation to try and stand by her, and deny his feelings for Emma.
It’s really not as straightforward as, “Neal was gonna marry someone else a week ago, so there’s no way he could be ready to move on already.” It’s a very unusual circumstance, with a complicated clash of emotions. Jane Espenson once said that in TV, fiancees are like walls, they can be moved out of the way. Tamara’s true self being revealed was, more than anything else, an obstacle for SF being moved out of the way. They made her as horrible as possible so that no one would mourn her, including Neal himself.
I’d have liked to see a scene where he had a moment of, “How could I have been so stupid,” because once again, he got the crap end of the stick in life. But on the other hand, the fact that we didn’t see him beating himself up like that indicates that he’s learning and growing and gaining strength through his struggles, which is an admirable thing.
The more significant symbolic things about the ending scene is firstly that she’s in NYC. The last time we saw her, she was living in Boston, so why the change in location?
NYC doesn’t even cross Emma’s mind when she is talking to Snow White about where she and Henry might be living. She just says, “Boston or…somewhere else.” NYC feels totally random outside the confines of SF
Also, the song choice is pretty blatant. If they didn’t intend to show a SF connection, they would not have played that song. In both instances, with Neal and with Emma, the song cuts out immediately before the messenger (postcard/Hook) with news of the Curse arrives. This is a blatant and direct parallel between the two characters
Yes. And as for the 8:15 thing, Emma wakes up at 8:15…Hook does not arrive until later, unless Emma has learned to make breakfast in 60 seconds. I’ve seen that around
The fact that they bothered to write in those connections, which exist even though Emma doesn’t currently have her new memories of Neal, screams to me that they are undeniably, irrevocably connected, and are destined to be close to each other, and together.
For whatever CSer is reading this, JMo confirmed that they are not coincidences and the tweet is a few pages back
It’s really not as straightforward as, “Neal was gonna marry someone else a week ago, so there’s no way he could be ready to move on already.” It’s a very unusual circumstance, with a complicated clash of emotions. Jane Espenson once said that in TV, fiancees are like walls, they can be moved out of the way. Tamara’s true self being revealed was, more than anything else, an obstacle for SF being moved out of the way. They made her as horrible as possible so that no one would mourn her, including Neal himself.
I’m going to go further. This is a VERY common trope in TV called the “movable fiancee” http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DisposableFiance and in this case Tamara is “evil all along”
It was part of the storytelling that is commonly used to separate endgames for a little while, to draw out the drama of will they/won’t they
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"He gets an odd look on his face and looks down as he realizes that he’s clenching something in his hand. He opens up his fist and realizes that he was clenching the swan pendant when the curse hit and he finally tears up realizing that it’s all he has left of Emma and his family is now gone. Snow sees that Neal is broken and that Belle is totally devastated and she asks them to come with her and David to their castle for a while because “we’re family and we can help each other through our shared grief”. I want to see them take care of each other because they’re ALL grieving for their loved ones and I wouldn’t be able to take it if he ends up alone again. I know this is a total tearjerker moment (if it actually happens) but I think it would go a LONG way towards making people truly realize the heartbreak that is Neal’s life. He literally has just had his entire world fall apart for like the 4th time (at least) and he’s had so much heartbreak in so many different ways that he has to be almost numb to it by now. 😥
You just made me cry! (I love it!)
Another pretty thing: Henry and his parents, all three of them!
Fierce family is FIERCE! Neal’s like, “Pan, please….we got this won punk” and Emma is about to open up a can on the immature and bratty teenager. I also love that Henry grabs an arm from both of his moms. And seriously, when Regina is the one who looks the least threatening in a photo you KNOW the other parents mean something REALLY fierce!!
For real! That really is an awesome, family pic!
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