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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • March 31, 2014 at 4:25 pm #257590
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Is Neal really dead?
    Adam Horowitz:
    He is really dead. The decision was one that was not made lightly. Eddy and I, as we’ve been developing the larger story of Once beyond each individual episode, saw where it was going. Earlier this year, when we realized this is the time that Neal would die, we talked to Michael Raymond-James. We all discussed how to best do this. We did our best. We thought that Michael was brilliantly emotional and amazing on Sunday night as we brought that character’s life to an end.

    Is there a chance that we could see him more in flashbacks since there are still decades of his life we still haven’t seen?
    Edward Kitsis:
    I would be so disappointed if we didn’t. It was not an easy decision to make because we love Michael and we love writing him and watching him bring that character to life. For us, it was the evolution of his character. What we loved was this idea that we watched his father sacrifice himself for him after years of setting a bad example. He set a good example, and they made peace. So, when Neal found himself following a similar pursuit of obsessiveness to get back, he realizes the price he made and was willing to sacrifice himself for his family because he’s a hero and wanted to set that example for Henry (Jared Gilmore). And we wanted him to help everyone out the only way he could.

    How will Emma be dealing with the loss of Neal? Is she more determined than ever to kill Zelena, and might that cause her to cross some lines?
    Kitsis:
    Emma is absolutely determined. The Wicked Witch killed somebody who means a lot to Emma and also [to] his father, who I’d be worried about.

    A portion of the fandom rooting for Emma and Neal will be crushed. Another portion will see this as good news for Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) and Emma. Are you putting her love life on hold during this mourning period?
    Horowitz:
    Emma’s love life is only one facet of who she is. Right now, there’s a lot of really pressing things to deal with, which is the fact that someone very close to her has just died. Her son is also in a precarious position and everyone she loves is in danger.
    Kitsis: If you look at the season, Emma, as a character, always has her wall up. She’s very resistant because Neal hurt her before she knew the truth. Henry was the only one she ever really let in. What you’re seeing is Emma and Regina (Lana Parrilla) are very similar in a sense that they both reject love for fear of being hurt. Is Emma concentrated on her love life? No, I don’t think she ever is. It happens like the thing in New York happened, but even that turned on her. Her natural inclination is she’s skeptical about love even though maybe deep down she wants it. I don’t think she’s thinking about it now. Just like in Neverland, when she said, “I choose me.”

    http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Death-Spoilers-1079832.aspx

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    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 31, 2014 at 4:27 pm #257591
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    BOLD STORYTELLING MY *$%(*# It was not, not when his character wasn’t even utilize to the fullest extent before kicking the bucket. The story was jarring to the fullest extent. The only BOLD thing I got from it was that they’ve shocked me even more with their sloppy cop out rushed writing, like they have with August, Ruby, Astra and countless other beloved characters. Never got a centric of his own Never explored his past in Neverland Never got a transition from when he got out of Neverland to Land without Magic Never got to actually SIT AND TALK WITH EMMA ON REAL MATTERS (This really steams me up) Never got to be a true father to Henry for more then a week. Or actually saying meaningful things to him. Never got to explore more of his emotions with his father in front of him Never got to explore his life within the 10 years he left Emma WOW I can keep going on and on…. I’m just going to stop so I don’t cause myself more pain… Yeah I’m sticking by what I said, I’m really not tuning in on Sundays anymore. It’s GOT for me now… at least I can take character deaths from that show to be more plausible and better written….

    ALL OF THIS

    This was hasty and ill conceived

    And wow am I tired of being told to get over it

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 31, 2014 at 4:27 pm #257593
    heatherc1275
    Participant

    I have to go home from work now but I’ll be back later. That TV Guide article got me upset all over again even though there really wasn’t anything new in it. Those two trolls have royally screwed up their own show. Congrats guys on the massive error. 😥

     


    #MoreBOOMLessGloom

    March 31, 2014 at 4:28 pm #257594
    lecygne
    Participant

    BOLD STORYTELLING MY *$%(*#

    Never got a centric of his own

    Never explored his past in Neverland

    Never got a transition from when he got out of Neverland to Land without Magic

    Never got to actually SIT AND TALK WITH EMMA ON REAL MATTERS (This really steams me up)

    Never got to be a true father to Henry for more then a week. Or actually saying meaningful things to him.

    Never got to explore more of his emotions with his father in front of him

    Never got to explore his life within the 10 years he left Emma

    Agree. To think about that quote wherever that said “this character had run its course” or whatever makes me want to scream. This character still has TONS of mystery and a LONG way to go. If they can waste/burn an entire season with Regina saying little more than “Stay away from my son, Ms. Swan,” could they not give Neal more than this? I would love to know what MRJ’s actual screen time was.

    March 31, 2014 at 4:29 pm #257595
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I want to hug Mick’s post. I am so angry right now.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 31, 2014 at 4:30 pm #257596
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    It’s a story about hope and family didn’t we know? Where we can get away with rape, murder, torture, and still get our happy endings because in this modern world there is no place in storytelling for a Lost Boy who just wanted a family. This is a bold writing decision. Didn’t we see? Isn’t this such a brilliant move? As August said, he simply got stuck in the crossfires.

    THIS is what’s killing me. HOW IS THIS A GOOD MORAL LESSON?!

     

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 31, 2014 at 4:30 pm #257597
    lecygne
    Participant

    Is Neal really dead?
    Adam Horowitz:
    He is really dead. The decision was one that was not made lightly. Eddy and I, as we’ve been developing the larger story of Once beyond each individual episode, saw where it was going. Earlier this year, when we realized this is the time that Neal would die, we talked to Michael Raymond-James. We all discussed how to best do this. We did our best. We thought that Michael was brilliantly emotional and amazing on Sunday night as we brought that character’s life to an end.

    Voila. Done. Done. Doneski.

    March 31, 2014 at 4:31 pm #257599
    Phee
    Participant

    RG, one other thing you might wanna mention on the podcast (can’t recall if slurpeez included it in her list off the top of my head).

    Neal’s story of his relationship with Henry had been a progression of the story arc of the whole Stiltskin line. From the moment Neal discovered he had a son, he vowed that the cycle of abandonment would stop with him, and from then on he was always there for Henry, and THAT was a story full of hope. While Neal’s death isn’t him abandoning Henry exactly, it’s still continuing the hopeLESS story of how fathers and sons in that family are doomed to be separated. All the time they’d invested in showing Neal working to break that cycle, suddenly all of it is just undone, and that was an important and central theme of the show, and the history of the story.

    March 31, 2014 at 4:32 pm #257600
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Neal’s story of his relationship with Henry had been a progression of the story arc of the whole Stiltskin line. From the moment Neal discovered he had a son, he vowed that the cycle of abandonment would stop with him, and from then on he was always there for Henry, and THAT was a story full of hope. While Neal’s death isn’t him abandoning Henry exactly, it’s still continuing the hopeLESS story of how fathers and sons in that family are doomed to be separated. All the time they’d invested in showing Neal working to break that cycle, suddenly all of it is just undone, and that was an important and central theme of the show, and the history of the story.

    oh yes!!!!

    Abandonment issues!!!!!!! So much for breaking THAT cycle?!

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 31, 2014 at 4:34 pm #257605
    lecygne
    Participant

    I wasted 2.5 years on this show. For what? I wish I could burn all my memories away and get my 50+ hours back, not to mention all the hours I wasted in anticipation of and now in the wake of the SoD. What was the point of investing in this show? What enjoyment have I gotten, in the end?

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