Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[RumplesGirl]

Everything came full circle. Rumple sacrificed for Neal, and then Neal had the chance to do it for Rumple. He had closure with everyone- Hook, Emma, Rumple (just sadly, not Henry.)

Rumple’s sacrifice now mean nothing. Bold storytelling is letting the man who ruined the lives of thousand stay dead after he gave them his everything. THAT’s bold storytelling.

And Neal’s “sacrifice” wasn’t for a reason–now the WW has everything she wanted–a sane in control Dark One.

All they learned was a name. And if the writers weren’t turning the Charmings into idiots they’d have figured it out by now. Emma spent the last year as a bailbondsperson. She solved a murder S1. You mean to tell me she’s so stupid now that she can’t see that the creepy midwife wearing green isn’t the WW?????

And did Neal have closure? Hook didn’t even apologize for selling him to the Lost Boys. And his final words are that it doesn’t matter that he never saw his son

How did we go from:

“Don’t let him grow up like we did” AND “I’ll see BOTH of you again”

to

“It doesn’t matter…”

I’m exhausted trying to show people an alternative way to think of things when no one wants to budge

Angie, I love you but we’re exhausted trying to show our viewpoint. Over the past two days it has been one post after another on this board about why Neal dying makes perfect sense and is logical. Everywhere I turn I try to tell people that it’s not that he died—but how. It was character assassination, but every day some new “this is a different more correct perspective on Neal’s death and you all are WRONG if you feel different”

I have been told to get over it. I have been told to get over the death of my own dad, which is a major driving point for me right now, and yesterday I was told to get professional help.

I’m tired of being told how I feel is wrong.

That’s not coming full circle. That’s a writing tragedy and a waste of my time as a viewer.

not eve close to coming full circle. It’s a wild divergent path to the randomness of nowhere.

I just found out today is the National Day of Hope. Which just sounds like a real kick in the teeth until you realize it’s for child abuse awareness. Thinking about the character, it seems appropriate. (Still a kick in the teeth, though.)

heh. irony.

I’ll be around after podcast

Do i think that maybe was actor asking out, maybe that is true, that rumour of the make up , that he was tired of the bad publicity, tired of being bullied, that for me has a lot to blame also on actors and writers, they should have come and step up about this whole ship thing, the fact that one day one fan said to MRJ that emma should end with hook bc neal was ugly and should have stayed dead and they tag colin on the tweet also, and he didnt came and say respect the persons, no they feed them bc they like the to see people fithing each other, and other things they feed with the whole ship thing. So i think MRJ was relieve and being out, and maybe is why the cast doesnt come to say anything, bc they knew that was maybe his decision, bc having a character in 2 epi like 5 minutes, none on the in another epi and then craziness in another and puff dies.

Personally I do think MRJ asked to be out. The BA from various ships and their constant non stop hate…he’s such a sensitive guy. So private. And the way he was treated by the trolls…*sigh*

I don’t blame CSers because they are generally good people. But Adam and Eddy started this by deciding to do this idiotic love triangle in the first place–giving both sides hope and then never having Emma actually decide. Which she can’t do now anyway. Because death was the easy way to resolve the love triangle.

 

[enchantedfan]

I’ve enjoyed reading everyone’s thoughts and comments.  Sharing is great therapy when dealing with disappointments. Swanfire appealed to my romantic nature. I was not going to write anything until I see 3×16 but I read an article by Barbara Barnett and her review of “Quiet Minds”. If this article has already been discussed, my apologies, I must have skipped some conversations, but Barbara made a statement that perhaps best exemplifies why OUAT and Swanfire resonated with me:

“The show has always been about family and sacrifice. The hard choices began with the pilot episode. It’s one of the best things about the show–using fantasy to explore these elements of living.”

It is an interesting article by Barbara as she explores possible outcomes that includes Neal. The comments that follow the article are interesting too. The romantic in me feels that the writers have a sensational cliff hanger in store and it involves Neal and the Swan necklace! The realist in me only hopes this is true.

Thanks to all who allow me to share my thoughts and hope for these wonderful characters. I still have hope that Neal’s death is a plot device by the writers and his death was a ploy to destroy Zelena.

Be who you are, and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss

[RumplesGirl]

Neal death just hit to close to home for me. This show was outlet for me and I don’t wished to seek an outlet for my outlet

Yeah I really hate this whole “real world” argument. Yes, people die in real life everyday. Good people don’t always get happy endings.

But you know what—that real world argument should work for EVERYONE on the show then. It should mean that in the real world you wouldn’t trust a perfect creepy stranger to be your midwife. It means you wouldn’t forgive a woman who cursed your entire family after trying to kill you a thousand times over. It means that even if you are a snarky pirate and it’s “in character”, it doesn’t excuse that woeful attempt at an apology (don’t even get me started on that apology)–find me any domestic abuse victim who would have accepted THAT as an apology and the fact that the ONCEABC Twitter account made light of it–violence against women–ooooooh. Yeah. THAT’s real world, alright.

If we’re suddenly going to apply real world logic to this show then we’ve lost the essential core–myth, magic, fairy tales, hope, family, redemption, happy endings.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Rainbow]

I think they would not reverse this death, why spoiler and give interview about the actor and the character and then bring him back, as what recurring, although i find it they bring 2 more regulars to the show, they `ve been ussually taken 1 regular and adding 1, or take 2 and add 2(graham and archie for belle and ruby), unless they loose another regular this season by making him recurring. i think this is the end, do i believe they will regret yes, but will be to late, bc the episodes are filmed, they end filming tomorrow or something, there is no time to undo, if i had to play the part of seer, i will predict that they killing Bae/Neal was the undoing of the show and theirs, they will never recover from this, bc even though people may still watch, they will watch with no interest with no attachement, and not believing in anything else A/E say and that is pretty bad, bc with neal death and all the nospoiler, to the point of giving false hope to neal and sf fans, even this saturday when a neal fan said that neal wouldnt be on the final, he said how so you know that? really this is not giving false hope? is twiter he may decide who he anwsers or not, is not a live interview where he needs to explain everything live. They lost credibility and the cast as well, about not coming diretly saying something about this, sorry not trying to send hate to actors, but to me this only shows that maybe something was really bad on ouat world, i even remenber of spoiler pics of 310, when they arrive to SB, all cast was joking and kidding, but one of the darwfs took a pic of mRJ sitting alone, smocking and drinking coffee, not laughing with the colleagues.

"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

[RumplesGirl]

The realist in me only hopes this is true

The realist in me says that Emma will wear the necklace like she does Graham’s shoelaces and that Neal will be brought up occasionally for the rest of the season as a rallying cry: “do it for Neal!!!”

And then by S4 him and his death will quietly be forgotten, like Graham.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

But you know what—that real world argument should work for EVERYONE on the show then. It should mean that in the real world you wouldn’t trust a perfect creepy stranger to be your midwife. It means you wouldn’t forgive a woman who cursed your entire family after trying to kill you a thousand times over. It means that even if you are a snarky pirate and it’s “in character”, it doesn’t excuse that woeful attempt at an apology (don’t even get me started on that apology)–find me any domestic abuse victim who would have accepted THAT as an apology and the fact that the ONCEABC Twitter account made light of it–violence against women–ooooooh. Yeah. THAT’s real world, alright.

If we’re suddenly going to apply real world logic to this show then we’ve lost the essential core–myth, magic, fairy tales, hope, family, redemption, happy endings.

This is SO ACCURATE! I mean seriously, family or no family, the Charmings should NOT be associating AT ALL with Rumple or Regina if we’re playing by real world rules. And Hook would have been locked up for shooting someone and not allowed to run around town being chummy with everyone. So please, anyone using the argument that “sometimes in real life”, just, no, because while Emma and Henry, and also Neal to an extent, are products of our real world, their story is part of a fricking fairytale, and fairytales get the happy ending for the good guys.

PS. RG, I dunno if I’ll be able to listen live, but I’ll be sending you good vibes for the podcast tonight! *HUGS*

[Phee]

They lost credibility and the cast as well, about not coming diretly saying something about this, sorry not trying to send hate to actors, but to me this only shows that maybe something was really bad on ouat world, i even remenber of spoiler pics of 310, when they arrive to SB, all cast was joking and kidding, but one of the darwfs took a pic of mRJ sitting alone, smocking and drinking coffee, not laughing with the colleagues.

He was likely sitting away from everyone at that point because he WAS smoking, and it’s just good manners to move away from other people if you’re gonna smoke between takes. It was during the filming of 315, which wasn’t that long ago, that MRJ and JMo tweeted the pics of each other huddled by the heater. They are great friends. I may not know MRJ, but from what I DO know of him, I can’t imagine why anyone who worked with him wouldn’t fall in love with the guy.

[RumplesGirl]

because while Emma and Henry, and also Neal to an extent, are products of our real world, their story is part of a fricking fairytale, and fairytales get the happy ending for the good guys

The good guys and good always wins….except when plot dictate.

rainbow wrote:

They lost credibility and the cast as well, about not coming diretly saying something about this, sorry not trying to send hate to actors, but to me this only shows that maybe something was really bad on ouat world, i even remenber of spoiler pics of 310, when they arrive to SB, all cast was joking and kidding, but one of the darwfs took a pic of mRJ sitting alone, smocking and drinking coffee, not laughing with the colleagues.

He was likely sitting away from everyone at that point because he WAS smoking, and it’s just good manners to move away from other people if you’re gonna smoke between takes. It was during the filming of 315, which wasn’t that long ago, that MRJ and JMo tweeted the pics of each other huddled by the heater. They are great friends. I may not know MRJ, but from what I DO know of him, I can’t imagine why anyone who worked with him wouldn’t fall in love with the guy.

I just wish one of the cast would reach out and say they’ll miss him or it was an honor or something. The silence from *everyone* (Ginny, Josh, Jmo, Emilie, Bobby, Colin, Lana…) doesn’t sit right with me

PS. RG, I dunno if I’ll be able to listen live, but I’ll be sending you good vibes for the podcast tonight! *HUGS*

Thanks!!! Gonna be preparing all day. Wanna make sure we’re heard.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Rainbow]

I think they would not reverse this death, why spoiler and give interview about the actor and the character and then bring him back, as what recurring, although i find it they bring 2 more regulars to the show, they `ve been ussually taken 1 regular and adding 1, or take 2 and add 2(graham and archie for belle and ruby), unless they loose another regular this season by making him recurring. i think this is the end, do i believe they will regret yes, but will be to late, bc the episodes are filmed, they end filming tomorrow or something, there is no time to undo, if i had to play the part of seer, i will predict that they killing Bae/Neal was the undoing of the show and theirs, they will never recover from this, bc even though people may still watch, they will watch with no interest with no attachement, and not believing in anything else A/E say and that is pretty bad, bc with neal death and all the nospoiler, to the point of giving false hope to neal and sf fans, even this saturday when a neal fan said that neal wouldnt be on the final, he said how so you know that? really this is not giving false hope? is twiter he may decide who he anwsers or not, is not a live interview where he needs to explain everything live. They lost credibility and the cast as well, about not coming diretly saying something about this,

You are probably right, but is very ood that no one say anything about this, althought they probably talk in private, but all the rumours that were known to MRJ, bc many fans said to Adam, was even strange that mRJ had to come and explain himself and only after adam spoke, this all feels damage control and the same with the door pic, to pretend that he was filming like he wasnt the death, probably asked by adam for him to do that.

Someone said to me on twiter that he was on the same amount of episodes that he was on S2 as recurring, while i think that when he was recurring he had much more screen time than now as regular, but never mind, is sad that they choose not to follow the myth they thought in the begging and gave in to, i dont even know waht they gave in, i will say like RG say to PLOT.

"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

[Keb]

I rewatched but I had to skip most of the OQ stuff…somehow blending it in with the death of Neal just makes it that much more ominous. I want Regina to earn happiness…and I do believe she’s grown…but look what happens to the dads of the kids she has an interest in.

Watching Neal die and then seeing Roland run into Robin’s arms just highlights what Neal is missing…and then there’s the dangled promise of Regina getting that while Neal and Emma never can. And I just want to scream at Robin to take Roland and get out of there. Hang out with Belle and date Granny or Tink or something.

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