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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • April 2, 2014 at 9:37 am #258324
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Watching Neal die and then seeing Roland run into Robin’s arms just highlights what Neal is missing

    🙁

    There were some rather cruel editing choices in this overly cruel episode

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    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    April 2, 2014 at 9:39 am #258325
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Interesting essay I read this morning. Makes me think that A and E really have run out of ideas at this point.

    Fathers Don’t Matter

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    April 2, 2014 at 9:43 am #258327
    Phee
    Participant

    The good guys and good always wins….except when plot dictate.

    It’s sad that it was Neal’s own son who believed so adamantly that the good guys always win.

    Watching Neal die and then seeing Roland run into Robin’s arms just highlights what Neal is missing…

    OUCH!

    April 2, 2014 at 9:48 am #258328
    heatherc1275
    Participant

    I am finally feeling a little more like my normal self today although I have realized that I will never stop missing Neal on my TV screen. They created an amazing character and in the span of 42+ minutes totally threw that down the crapper. I have moved from the grieving/sad place to the honked off and ready to smack anything around me phase. It sucks that Neal had such a horrible death preceded by completely OOC actions. It sucks that the worst writer on the staff is the one who got this job and did such an awful job with it. It sucks that the majority of the cast hasn’t tweeted anything to MRJ THREE DAYS after he left the show (says something when Michael Coleman and Sean Maguire are the only two people to say anything…MC of the drama he caused in the fall and Sean being the newest cast member). It sucks that Neal never got to see Henry and that Henry will never really know his dad. It REALLY sucks that A&E have made such light of this whole thing and think they actually did a ‘bold’ thing with the story. It sucks that MRJ won’t be on my TV anymore for a while (dude, seriously find an awesome show that allows your talent to shine and that I can watch every week again). The whole thing just SUCKS and I hate that I was misled on what this show is actually about: villains getting redeemed and the heroes looking like idiots.

    Katie posted a great article on Twitter from someone who is also not happy about what the show has done and that person write an awesome editorial about how they feel the show has been taken over by the fans and media. I retweeted it on my own feed in case you guys want to read it and you really should because it sums up everything pretty perfectly and really takes you back to where things might have started going wrong this season. I said a long time ago that when showrunners start letting the fans or media dictate how their story goes, the shows are not going to stay on TV very long and it’s sad that I now can’t see OUAT getting past a 4th season. I think the ratings are going to be pretty interesting to see next week and it won’t surprise me at all if they drop. So many people are upset with the show (I have a few ‘non-spoiler, more casual fans of the show’ friends from Facebook and they were all upset with the story too) and I think it might surprise them how many people really start tuning out. The Rumple pic that was released yesterday might be the tipping point for the others in the fandom and when you lose the Rumple fans, you’re going to lose a LOT of viewers.

    BTW-It’s great that some fans still have hope that he might be back later in the season (I agree that it could happen but I don’t have much hope for that) but I’m not sure I want them to even try that with Neal. I remember on Lost when Juliet died at the end of season five (dude, I cried for 20 minutes straight when she died and then it took me like three days to even start to recover so I know this feeling of loss all too well with these showrunners), it was so heartbreaking because she shared a horrific and sad goodbye with her true love, Sawyer and then fell down a dark hole into blackness right before helping detonate a bomb. That heartbreak was so shocking and upsetting to me that I really had to mourn that loss for a while to get past it (she was my fave on there and ironically, she never got her ‘happy ending’ either). At the start of season six, not only did they randomly, SOMEHOW, have her live through that atomic bomb going off right next to her head (the heck….), they also had her DIE IN SAWYER’S ARMS while he bawled his eyes out. It felt like a gut punch to me ALL OVER AGAIN and that’s the thing I haven’t been able to let go of with Lost….they literally killed her TWICE in brutal ways for the fans and I am horrified at the thought of them doing something like that to Neal. I don’t wish that for him, Henry, or Emma and I would be mortified if they tried something like that with Neal.

    I am now three episodes into Terriers and this show is SO awesome. I’m trying not to burn through them too fast because I know there are only 13 eps to watch but it’s just so good that I keep wanting to watch more of it every day. It really is helping me move past what Once has become and helping me remember that there are still great TV shows out there if I’m willing to look harder for them. I don’t know if any other show will capture my heart like Once did in S1 (Chicago Fire is probably the closest thing for me right now but I actually go into that show every week knowing someone could die….it’s the nature of a firefighter show that bad things happen almost every week) but eventually I’m going to feel better and remember my favorite episodes instead of the bad (Manhattan, Tallahassee sans Hook). It’s the mourning process right now that just needs to run it’s course.

    Love all of you a bunch. Thanks for checking in those of you who are probably checking out of the show now (please don’t be too much of a stranger @KFChemira) and I’m glad we’re all starting to heal more through this whole thing. Who would have thought we’d end up being so close to a 1000 pages after just breaking 900 not that long ago?! It’s a shame we got there via tragedy though. 🙁


    #MoreBOOMLessGloom

    April 2, 2014 at 9:50 am #258329
    Keb
    Participant

    Yeah, I found it odd that in an ep like this, that’s the bit that was too painful for me to watch. I was never really on board the Outlaw Queen train, but now I think I can never see it play out without wanting to throw things at Regina. And I don’t dislike Regina…I’m almost ready to climb on board with SQ (okay, not really) over this.

    Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

    April 2, 2014 at 9:52 am #258330
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    We all know how it will end, WW will be defeated, she related to someone one other than Regina. Another big bad will be introduce for Season 4. Hook gets to live Neal’s dream with Emma and Henry. Regina will get Robin Hood and Roland and Henry, Rumple will find comfort with Belle, Snowing will have their baby. All of them will get their Happy endings and second chances while Neal rots away in the grave.

    Yes, this is how I predict the story will go too. There’s very little suspense left. I don’t see there being any real mystery anymore or even any real selling point for me. They told me this story was about hope and second chances. So I hoped and believed a sacrificial soul could find a way towards happiness, but his premature and pointless death just resulted in the death of the show’s original message.

    Now, the only real way I could see this being redeemed is if a “reset” button is hit in the season finale. Emma’s alarm clock goes off at 8:15 AM in her New York City apartment. “Charley’s Girl” starts to play. Emma rolls over in bed and sees Neal there smiling back at her. He whispers “Good morning, babe.” Emma replies, “I just had the worst dream. Must’ve been the green jello I ate last night.” Then she reaches over and kisses her now-husband, as demonstrated by the ring on her finger. The end.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    April 2, 2014 at 9:56 am #258333
    Phee
    Participant

    BTW-It’s great that some fans still have hope

    It’s not so much that I have hope exactly, it’s more like my cynicism is so extreme that it’s gone full circle and I just can’t believe any part of the situation is believable in any way.

    April 2, 2014 at 10:01 am #258336
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster
    heatherc1275 wrote:

    BTW-It’s great that some fans still have hope

    It’s not so much that I have hope exactly, it’s more like my cynicism is so extreme that it’s gone full circle and I just can’t believe any part of the situation is believable in any way.

    The death coupled with the picture of Rumple and Zelena from 318 pretty much makes my cynicism go: well of course this is all real. They have no idea what they’re doing anymore.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    April 2, 2014 at 10:01 am #258337
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    OMGOSH

    HAPPY 1000 PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (I hate the way we got here)

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    April 2, 2014 at 10:06 am #258338
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    Happy 1000th page!

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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