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Dena81 brought up a great point on another thread about Neal Cassidy.
In The Return, we see Bae scoot across in front of a donkey cart and hurt his knee.
In Broken, we see Neal crossing in front of the horse and carriages in Central Park.
How did we miss that connection? Great catch Dena81!
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Neal being Bae and Peter Pan makes more sense to me than any other option. Rewatching the Disney movie the other night I found another correlation that I just wanted to share. The OUAT characters often carry key personality traits to the Disney versions, such as Belle loving books. In the big fight between Peter and Hook, Hook goads Peter into not using his abilty to fly by calling him a coward. Peter is affronted. “Coward? Me?” After further goading Peter exclaims, “Nobody calls Pan a coward and lives!” He nearly loses the fight, but he refuses to go back on his word and be branded a coward even to save himself. If that doesn’t fit with Bae angrily calling Rumple a coward when Rumple refuses to go through the portal, then I don’t know what does. If they make anyone else Pan, I’ll be very disappointed.
@BeastWhisperer wrote:
Neal being Bae and Peter Pan makes more sense to me than any other option. Rewatching the Disney movie the other night I found another correlation that I just wanted to share. The OUAT characters often carry key personality traits to the Disney versions, such as Belle loving books. In the big fight between Peter and Hook, Hook goads Peter into not using his abilty to fly by calling him a coward. Peter is affronted. “Coward? Me?” After further goading Peter exclaims, “Nobody calls Pan a coward and lives!” He nearly loses the fight, but he refuses to go back on his word and be branded a coward even to save himself. If that doesn’t fit with Bae angrily calling Rumple a coward when Rumple refuses to go through the portal, then I don’t know what does. If they make anyone else Pan, I’ll be very disappointed.
Excellent observation! They’ve certainly made a point of giving the word “coward” a whole lot of emphasis between these characters.
Another thought on this that popped into my head as I was about to fall asleep last night…how did Hook know that Milah had made Bae’s shawl? Was that just a throwaway line that we weren’t supposed to analyse? Too bad if it was, coz here I go. 😛 It looks very similar to Bae’s cloak, (so much so that when it’s been in spoiler pics, we’ve been referring to it as his cloak). If Hook had known the kid, who never took off his tattered old cloak, and had asked him why he always wore the old rag, and he’d said, “My mother made it,” that would explain why Hook knew that the similar shawl in SB had been made by Milah. How else could he have deduced that it was something she had personally made?
@BeastWhisperer wrote:
Neal being Bae and Peter Pan makes more sense to me than any other option. Rewatching the Disney movie the other night I found another correlation that I just wanted to share. The OUAT characters often carry key personality traits to the Disney versions, such as Belle loving books. In the big fight between Peter and Hook, Hook goads Peter into not using his abilty to fly by calling him a coward. Peter is affronted. “Coward? Me?” After further goading Peter exclaims, “Nobody calls Pan a coward and lives!” He nearly loses the fight, but he refuses to go back on his word and be branded a coward even to save himself. If that doesn’t fit with Bae angrily calling Rumple a coward when Rumple refuses to go through the portal, then I don’t know what does. If they make anyone else Pan, I’ll be very disappointed.
Fantastic catch BeastWhisperer! So much importance is put into that one single word when it come to Rumple. I’ve got both Disney’s version and the stage version (’60s TV with Mary Martin & Cyril Ritchard). I think maybe I’ll give them a view again over the weekend. Thanks so much for sharing that!
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
The biggest things that stuck out to me were that and the 8:15 pm that was previously mentioned. The funny thing about the 8:15 is that it isn’t really 8:15 in that scene. It’s 8:04 when Peter pulls the minute hand of Big Ben down for everyone to stand on. So, much like the clock tower in Storybrooke during Emma’s arrival, the clock was wrong. Yet it really was 8:15 pm in SB when the clock started again, as Emma decided to stay because of her maternal love for Henry…her son with Neal. It’s also 8:15am when magic returns to Storybrooke via Rumple as part of his plan to find Bae. So 8:15 ties to Neal, Bae, and Peter.
yea i just had an idea when somone said that bae/PP would have had to find a way to make it to storybrooke well in the animated peterpan movie he was using there ship with fairy dust to go to there well in the episode of OUAT when emma and snow come back corra and hook aswell do they use there ship to sail back so i was thinking thats a possible way for bae to make it back and forth :ugeek:
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@BeastWhisperer wrote:
Another thought on this that popped into my head as I was about to fall asleep last night…how did Hook know that Milah had made Bae’s shawl? Was that just a throwaway line that we weren’t supposed to analyse? Too bad if it was, coz here I go. 😛 It looks very similar to Bae’s cloak, (so much so that when it’s been in spoiler pics, we’ve been referring to it as his cloak). If Hook had known the kid, who never took off his tattered old cloak, and had asked him why he always wore the old rag, and he’d said, “My mother made it,” that would explain why Hook knew that the similar shawl in SB had been made by Milah. How else could he have deduced that it was something she had personally made?
Love it but….
how did Rumple get the shawl when Bae/Neal/Peter Pan was wearing it in Never Never Land? (or do we assume that Rumple was such a broke medieval father than Bae actually had a couple of shawls….!!!)
As I said in my intro, I am totally on board the Neal is Bae theory and I think that the only way to explain his age, and why Neal was so readily convinced by August’s magic box, is that he’s also Peter Pan.
I just wanted to add to this… In the most recent episode when rumple pricks his blood on the globe and it shows the map, it looks as though it is a different colour on the bit that is manhattan and that is where Neil currently is.
@Swanning-Off wrote:
how did Rumple get the shawl when Bae/Neal/Peter Pan was wearing it in Never Never Land? (or do we assume that Rumple was such a broke medieval father than Bae actually had a couple of shawls….!!!)
Bae was wearing his hooded cloak when he went through the portal. The shawl is a different garment he left behind, though seems to be made from similar fabric. By that time, Rumple could whip up and clothes he liked, but I’m guessing that old cloak was something Bae’s mother had made, just like she made the shawl.
Re: Baelfire = Neal
At Comic Con 2011, before the pilot for OUAT even aired, (7.27.2011), Jennifer Morrison gave an interview about Emma’s destiny. Listen to her answer closely starting at 8:08: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNaXBmsH_cY&feature=player_embeddedInterviewer: “Was it Emma’s destiny to have Henry?”
Jen: “Uhm…I think in a mythology that probably will be revealed, there are things that I know that I will not tell you…*sneaky grin*”… Eddy and Adam, once again, they just blow my mind with the stuff they come up with….They tell us stuff, and I’m like, “No way!”…Just the detail of the mythology that they’ve come up with. I literally sit and talk with them, and I’m like, I feel like they watched the show for 6 years and they’re just telling me about it. You know, how does your brain work in a way where you can kinda connect all this complex mythology without it having happened yet? And they’re just completely inspired to be writing a story like this. You will see what that all means, and who’s Henry’s father, and how that plays into the mythology. It’s all very intentional and very important.”Who else could possibly fit in there and connect all of this complex mythology except for Baefire?!
Re: Bealfire = Peter Pan
In 2×6 Tallahassee, there was a line, which could be an important clue to Neal’s identity.
Starting at 40 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NorPPJzdDykNeal: Maybe it’s time we get a real place.
Emma: Are you saying…?
Neal: Why not? We’ve been on the road long enough, Baby. It’s time to retire the Bonnie and Clyde act. So, I think it’s time.
Emma: Together?
Neal: Don’t you want to?
Emma: Like where, Neverland?I believe Emma’s reference to Neverland is more than a throw-away line and is a huge clue to who Neal is. The fact that she’s talking about settling with Neal in a fictional place suggests that is exactly where Baelfire went after Rumple let go of him. He became Peter Pan of Neverland.
On this show, nothing is mentioned flippantly or without significance to storytelling later down the road. Back in the pilot, Emma and Henry had a little dialog that turned out to be a direct foreshadowing of August’s identity.
Emma: Convenient! All right, I’ll play. Who’s he supposed to be?
Henry: Jiminy Cricket.
Emma: Right, the lying thing. I thought your nose grew a little bit.
Henry: I’m not Pinocchio!
Emma: Of course you’re not, because that would be ridiculous.Low and behold, August turned out to be Pinocchio, which many people, including Emma, thought was just too ridiculous to be believable. Well, the only major unaccounted for character still is Baelfire, who could turn out to be someone as iconic as Peter Pan. Just my thoughts. 🙂
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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